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It is a good point John, but fuck me the book was a bad choice. It was written in 1912 and frankly was a mess even then.

It just seems that the HBO model doesn't exist in cinema. Or is it that the audience doesn't exist in cinema?

Anyway, Prometheus will be good - but will it have the impact of Alien? Even the line Big things have small beginnings is a bit shit compared to "In space, no-one can hear you scream"
 
headvoid said:
Anyway, Prometheus will be good - but will it have the impact of Alien? Even the line Big things have small beginnings is a bit shit compared to "In space, no-one can hear you scream"
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I think that Prometheus will be a different type of film from Alien, which is why it's called "Prometheus" and not "Alien Begins" or something stupid (also the fact that it probably won't have an actual Alien in it).

Alien was pure horror, whereas Prometheus seems more hard sci-fi meets horror maybe. It's hard to tell from the trailers.
 
Alien and Aliens are two of my favourite movies of all time. Both for very different reasons. As Tom said, Alien is dark horror executed perfectly whilst Aliens has more of an Action/Adventure tone but still keeps some nice horror elements. I find it really hard to choose between them because they do different things so well. Alien 3 up to AVP are utter whack and the less said about them the better. I have been looking forward to Prometheus for ages now and I am in little doubt it will be a great movie.

Not sure what to think about not actually having Xenomorphs born from human hosts in the film but the trailer looks gangsta so I'm not too worried. This is easily my biggest hype movie of the year.
 
John Carter never had a chance because it was a story no one was dying to see told, and it was marketed in a way that its pedigree was completely hidden, so people had no idea what it was or why they should care. The studio spent all that money on production, and managed to build up zero anticipation for it.

I don't think Prometheus has that problem.
 
John Carter is one of those films that is so stultifying, so oppressive and so mysteriously and interminably long that I felt as if someone had dragged me into the kitchen of my local Greggs, and was baking my head into the centre of a colossal cube of white bread. As the film went on, the loaf around my skull grew to the size of a basketball, and then a coffee table, and then an Audi. The boring and badly acted sci-fi mashup continued inexorably, and the bready blandness pressed into my nostrils, eardrums, eye sockets and mouth. I wanted to cry for help, but in bread no one can hear you scream.
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He is a sci-fi hater I think, but still

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2012/mar/08/john-carter-review
 
while I like the "in bread no one can hear you scream" and will likely steal it, I think the guy's jumping on the ALL THE CRITICS HATE THIS AND I'M A CRITIC SO I HATE IT TOO bandwagon.

I recall one or two films the "critics" hated that I rather liked.

Three comic buff friends of mine (that was awkward) said it wasn't as bad as the critics' said. Then went really rogue and admitted to liking some bits! And deploring others.

may have to make the ultimate sacrifice and actually see JC for myself and form my own opinion! *gasp.*
 
But in this case, some people are saying 'the film is bad' as a substitute for 'the film is bombing', because it won't come close to breaking even at the box office. The worldwide gross and back-end sales might help it break even eventually, but did they really have to spend $250 million?

Anyway, people are lazy and assume financial disaster = bad movie without even seeing it.
 
Well the trailers made it look like a bad rip off of avatar, and for anyone who hadn't seen the trailer, they took off any reference to sci fi from the title, so it just sounds like a long film about a man with a boring sounding name.
 
Yup. Or for medical TV show geeks, the story of Noah Wyle's character on ER.

'John Carter' Loss Expected to Be $200M

Published: March 19, 2012 @ 1:51 pm
By Joshua L. Weinstein

"John Carter" is now an official flop.

The Walt Disney Co. on Monday acknowledged in a statement that the movie's poor performance at the box office likely will force Disney to take a $200 million writedown. That will give the studio an operating loss of as much as $120 million in the second quarter of this year.

"John Carter," based on an Edgar Rice Burroughs character, was made for about a quarter-billion dollars. Marketing costs were another $100 million on top of that. The movie grossed only $30.2 million domestically during its first weekend of release. In its second weekend, it took a measly $13.5 million.

"John Carter" was released March 9 and, in its 10 days, has grossed $53.2 million domestically and $126 million internationally.

Even before the movie arrived in theaters, Hollywood had labeled it a bomb. Early on, there were wide reports that the sci-fi extravaganza had gone over budget and required many costly reshoots. An uninspired trailer only made the situation worse.

The film is director Andrew Stanton's first live-action movie.

It stars Taylor Kitsch as a Confederate soldier who finds himself transported to Mars, where he becomes involved in an alien war.

Here's Disney's statement:

“In light of the theatrical performance of John Carter ($184 million global box office), we expect the film to generate an operating loss of approximately $200 million during our second fiscal quarter ending March 31. As a result, our current expectation is that the Studio segment will have an operating loss of between $80 and $120 million for the second quarter. As we look forward to the second half of the year, we are excited about the upcoming releases of The Avengers and Brave, which we believe have tremendous potential to drive value for the Studio and the rest of the company.”

More to come...
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I orgasmed a pool of semen.

Is it an Alien prequel, isn't it an Alien prequel??

I think it is at least, Alien adjacent.
 
I'd still quite like to see John Carter. I like anything Mars related, I'm curious about the odd sounding plot elements and the fact that it's bombing just makes it sound all the more interesting.

I wish they'd launch more new scifi franchises (or just one-off adaptations of classic books), but what I meant to say in my other post is that the studios seem to think that no one will want to watch anything they haven't heard of before, so they pile all the cash into the effects to make something flashy and attention grabbing, without bothering much about the story. Of course, that means that anyone who does cough up the money to go and see it will be deterred from watching the next movie of a similar kind, unless it has even more enticing visuals.
 
And then something like Inception comes along and proves that well written but flashy original sci-fi can make a lot of money, and then no one seems to do anything about it.
 
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