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The Tomtrek
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curiousa2z
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The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
I just saw this film.
I just really really liked this film.
There's a lot to say and I'm still digesting the film (there's a lot to digest), but sufficed to say it's a very well done science fiction/horror/action film (light on the action, HEAVY on the science fiction).
Like they've been saying, it's not a direct sequel in that the story literally leads into Alien, but you can watch Alien again and see things very differently. It definitely leaves itself open for very non-Alien sequels, which is good.
I was really placed that the film didn't rest too heavy on it's Alien past, it's very much it's own film, with a few things here and there to please the fans (but not in a bad, shoehorned way).
The cast were all excellent, especially Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender (obviously).
The 3D was totally worthless, but hey.
I just really really liked this film.
There's a lot to say and I'm still digesting the film (there's a lot to digest), but sufficed to say it's a very well done science fiction/horror/action film (light on the action, HEAVY on the science fiction).
Like they've been saying, it's not a direct sequel in that the story literally leads into Alien, but you can watch Alien again and see things very differently. It definitely leaves itself open for very non-Alien sequels, which is good.
I was really placed that the film didn't rest too heavy on it's Alien past, it's very much it's own film, with a few things here and there to please the fans (but not in a bad, shoehorned way).
The cast were all excellent, especially Noomi Rapace and Michael Fassbender (obviously).
The 3D was totally worthless, but hey.
You get to see her SPACE KNICKERS.
Fuddlemiff
Is this real life?
Watched it tonight and I'm also still digesting it. I know I liked it, but there's a lot to think over.
I can see why naysayers disliked it, as there's no clear throughline in the sense of every scene reiterating a moral lesson, as you get in a lot of movies. It's just an adventure with an intriguing story.
Well, ok, there's the religious elements, but that's really left to your own interpretation.
I can see why naysayers disliked it, as there's no clear throughline in the sense of every scene reiterating a moral lesson, as you get in a lot of movies. It's just an adventure with an intriguing story.
Well, ok, there's the religious elements, but that's really left to your own interpretation.
I liked the reveal of the mound containing the spaceship. There were a few "aha!" type murmurs when the shape of it appeared on the holographic display.
All the design work was good, really. It's a pity we didn't get to see more of what the Prometheus could do, but hey, it wasn't about the spaceship.
Bit disappointed that the space jockeys were just humans with cool helmets on. Of course it makes sense for the story, but I preferred the idea of them being elephantine. I did like their marbled skin, though. They were like ancient Greek or Roman statues come alive.
I imagine the movie's a lot less enjoyable if you haven't seen the other Alien movies. It's independent to a point, but so much of what happens is linking with the existing mythology that it adds a whole level of enjoyment and intrigue that would be missing otherwise.
All the design work was good, really. It's a pity we didn't get to see more of what the Prometheus could do, but hey, it wasn't about the spaceship.
Bit disappointed that the space jockeys were just humans with cool helmets on. Of course it makes sense for the story, but I preferred the idea of them being elephantine. I did like their marbled skin, though. They were like ancient Greek or Roman statues come alive.
I imagine the movie's a lot less enjoyable if you haven't seen the other Alien movies. It's independent to a point, but so much of what happens is linking with the existing mythology that it adds a whole level of enjoyment and intrigue that would be missing otherwise.
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I liked this movie, but also it made no fucking sense?
Sexy pictures of Charlize and Michael Fassbender http://www.wmagazine.com/celebritie...ron-michael-fassbender-prometheus-cover-story
Dual
RIP Karl 1991-2014
You guys can't be serious. Prometheus was so totally awful in almost every imaginable respect that it was almost impressive merely for its crystallized badness. Ridley Scott has fallen a long way since Alien; it's hard to believe the same man is responsible for this trash. Granted the script's complete lack of any redeeming qualities gave him little to work with, but aside from the visuals, what exactly was there to like with Prometheus? :S:
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Prometheus is a film you have to think about. Prometheus is a film about asking questions and not getting answers. It is, in fact, a film about dealing with the fact that there are no answers to the great questions of life. It's a film about the Alien franchise, and fan expectations. It's a film about religious belief. It's all of that and more.
Prometheus is a a very deep film with a lot of excellent themes. A lot of people came in to the film thinking "OKAY RIDLEY TELL ME ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE ALIENS" and instead got an existentialist look on the bleakness of the human condition, but because it didn't spoon-feed the plot into people's minds it "had plot holes" (it actually has a lot less then people say) and "Doesn't make sense" (it makes a lot of sense).
TL;DR, sorry you didn't get the film.
Prometheus is a a very deep film with a lot of excellent themes. A lot of people came in to the film thinking "OKAY RIDLEY TELL ME ABOUT THE ORIGINS OF THE ALIENS" and instead got an existentialist look on the bleakness of the human condition, but because it didn't spoon-feed the plot into people's minds it "had plot holes" (it actually has a lot less then people say) and "Doesn't make sense" (it makes a lot of sense).
TL;DR, sorry you didn't get the film.
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
No, Avatar was a film with a very simple plot.
Prometheus is a very complex film with many elements to be looked at, and a lot of people have done so. Just because you didn't see anything in it, it doesn't mean there's nothing to see.
Prometheus is a very complex film with many elements to be looked at, and a lot of people have done so. Just because you didn't see anything in it, it doesn't mean there's nothing to see.
Dual
RIP Karl 1991-2014
Alright, I'll bite. What did you find so profound in Prometheus? Was it the sharp dialogue? The realistic portrayal of a team of scientists at the edge of the galaxy? On that note, let's segue for a moment, here are some of my favorite moments from the film:
The team has arrived in the alien dome. Broscientist: "Hey, there's oxygen here. Let's all take off our helmets! This is clearly a controlled environment, so there's no chance it will change. Certainly not after our influence has disturbed its delicate ecological balance and destroyed the paintings on the walls!"
Wait, come to think of it, that guy was supposed to be an archaeologist. How does he not realize that breathing on old, sealed stuff destroys it, the safety issues aside? It's not as if he didn't work on these kinds of studies, we see him doing sealed cave exploration at the beginning of the film.
The psychotic geologist - that guy was actually supposed to be a geologist? I was sure he was just some mercenary earlier on. :S: How does he get lost in the cave his own drones have mapped out? Especially when it's a giant circle?
Then we can't forget the brilliant biologist. He sees a threatening alien viper rising out of some mysterious slime, and he decides it's a good idea to go pet it, even after it starts hissing at him? What the fuck?
Enough of that, one could go on for hours. Perhaps you were enchanted with the film asking the question of humanity's origins? It was really cool how everybody just assumed that the aliens were humanity's creators on the basis of a DNA match, totally uncritically. Was there actually any evidence available in the film supporting that hypothesis?
On the note of creation, the film being completely overloaded with crucifixion and Jesus symbolism was kind of annoying.
I'll stop arguing against this strawman: tell me, what was so great and insightful about Prometheus? What did you think was difficult to understand? What do you think made it more than a totally mindless action movie? :S:
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Oh you're doing the "THEY'RE SO DUMB FOR SCIENTISTS" thing. Okay. Here's the thing - this was not a science mission. It was a mission that Weyland set up to go meet some aliens. What this means is that the people brought along were literally just there for show, and were not the best of the best. But anyway:
Yes, he was an archaeologist. But he's not there to take samples and record finds, the film makes it very clear that he is only there to meet his Gods, and he has absolute faith that he will. That's why he takes off his helmet, that's why he does everything he can to find what he was looking for, and that's why he crashes so hard when he realises that it's not there. He's a character driven purely by faith, and the need to fulfil that faith. Again, the film says they're archaeologists. It never says at all that they're the best-of-the-best top-level archaeologists, just the only two who actually believed in the engineers.
Also on a more metatexual level, he does it because that's what people do in horror films, and Ridley Scott is very obviously using several moments in Prometheus to comment and subvert some of the moments in Alien. This is what this scene is doing with Kane peering into the egg (WHY DID HE DO THAT? THAT'S SO UNREALISTIC. WHAT A SHITTY FILM).
Did you miss the part of the film where they scan the Engineer's blood and see that the DNA was a match (not a 100% match) to ours? And that it 'predates' ours?
One of the themes of Prometheus is how we deal with the fact that there are no answers. Holloway sees only despair in this, and basically stops caring about anything. Shaw refuses to accept this, and keeps on looking for the truth. The most interesting is David who already knew it, and takes pleasure in the fact that humans are finally realising what he has always known - that they will never know why they were made.
The importance of this is that this is exactly what is happening to the audience. A lot of people went into Prometheus wanting answers. Wanting a detailed plot-by-plot explanation as to what happened before Alien and where the aliens came from. Scott very deliberately doesn't give that answer, mirroring the arc that the characters themselves are going through.
Yes, he was an archaeologist. But he's not there to take samples and record finds, the film makes it very clear that he is only there to meet his Gods, and he has absolute faith that he will. That's why he takes off his helmet, that's why he does everything he can to find what he was looking for, and that's why he crashes so hard when he realises that it's not there. He's a character driven purely by faith, and the need to fulfil that faith. Again, the film says they're archaeologists. It never says at all that they're the best-of-the-best top-level archaeologists, just the only two who actually believed in the engineers.
Yes he was always a geologist. I don't know why you thought he was a mercenary, was it because he said he was there to get paid? Again this was because Wayland was just finding scientists-for-hire to keep up the guise that this was a legitimate operation. As for why he gets lost? Because he's a geologist, not a cartographer. Because he's wandering round in a maze of idential dark tunnels (again - a maze. If you look at the hologram of the ship it's made clear that it's full of tunnels, not just in a big circle). His mapping devices were also feeding back to Prometheus and not to him directly. So yes in a state of panic when in a maze of idential dark tunnels, he got lost.
He's spent the entire film so far out of his depth, and very much hanging on to Fifield (the geologist), and there's even a hint that he's totally crushing on him. So what does he do when he finally sees something within his area of expertise? He shows off. He shows off and asserts himself, while Fifield cowers, to prove that he's capable to him. He's showing off to the guy he fancies (if you want to read it that way).
Also on a more metatexual level, he does it because that's what people do in horror films, and Ridley Scott is very obviously using several moments in Prometheus to comment and subvert some of the moments in Alien. This is what this scene is doing with Kane peering into the egg (WHY DID HE DO THAT? THAT'S SO UNREALISTIC. WHAT A SHITTY FILM).
Did you miss the part of the film where they scan the Engineer's blood and see that the DNA was a match (not a 100% match) to ours? And that it 'predates' ours?
One of the themes of Prometheus is how we deal with the fact that there are no answers. Holloway sees only despair in this, and basically stops caring about anything. Shaw refuses to accept this, and keeps on looking for the truth. The most interesting is David who already knew it, and takes pleasure in the fact that humans are finally realising what he has always known - that they will never know why they were made.
The importance of this is that this is exactly what is happening to the audience. A lot of people went into Prometheus wanting answers. Wanting a detailed plot-by-plot explanation as to what happened before Alien and where the aliens came from. Scott very deliberately doesn't give that answer, mirroring the arc that the characters themselves are going through.
Dual
RIP Karl 1991-2014
So your angle is that Weyland intentionally chose the least competent possible team? What reason would he have to do that, to save money? Probably not so much of an issue if he's going to die anyway, and super-rich besides. Why risk his immortality by hiring a crew of retards? :S:
You missed my point. Driven by faith or not, he, as an archaeologist, knows that his breath will destroy the atmosphere in the dome. If he wants to get in touch with his gods, you'd think he'd be more concerned about that, no?
Why did I think he was a mercenary? He was obviously not a scientist, and he was covered in prison tattoos. Assuming he was part of the science team would've made no sense until he was revealed, totally illogically, as the chief geologist. And if they're lost, why don't they just ask the ship for directions? Contrary to your claim, the hologram never showed it to be a maze. :S:
I don't care who he has a crush on, nobody is that stupid. When Kane was a moron in Alien, it was one member of the crew being an idiot (contrary to every single one), and Kane wasn't supposed to be a carefully selected expert xenobiologist. Plus there's a lot less reason to be worried about one of those eggs than an aggressive, hissing alien viper!
So what? How does that translate to 'lol they obviously created us?' Besides, the sample they had was like 2000 years old, so how would they even know whether it predated our DNA?
Ok?
Sure, that's kind of meta-interesting. It still doesn't make for a good or intelligent film by any means whatsoever. :S:
The Tomtrek
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Not 'a crew of retards', just not 'top level scientists'. He had no interest in making a scientific discovery and so basically only did as much as he could to make it look like he was. Why not hire the best? Because they probably wouldn't spend two years on a trip not knowing where they were going, they probably had better things to do. These guys didn't.
He's not treating it as an archeological site. He's convinced that The Engineers are there, still alive, waiting for him.
"People who have tattoos cannot be scientists" oh okay, what a stupid film!
Seriously, once you see the hologram for the first time it's only a few corridors, but later on when it's all been mapped out it's a giant maze. I don't know what more to say other than "it was there, look at it".
You asked for a reason, I gave you one. But of course you just dismissed it because fuck reasons! Seriously this is a complaint that you can level at every single horror film. It's a trope of the genre (needed to move the plot along) and at least Ridley Scott is using it to actually say things about the characters.
At this point I honestly think you watched another film.
Okay, okay, sorry. I get it. You want this film to be deep, but not, y'know, deep, because that's shit! You're obviously convinced that it's a bad film that anything I said you'd just say "YEAH WELL YOU'RE WRONG AND IT'S SHIT" so there's really little point in trying to say otherwise. You can just go off and go "WHAT A SHIT FILM" and then other people can just go off and say "Hey this was really interesting" and we can both be happy because believe it or not, people have different ways at looking at films. I know you're just going to come back and say "OH YOU'RE JUST AVOIDING MY QUESTIONS, LOOKS LIKE I WIN AH HA HA", but really look. I wrote a whole lot of answers to your questions, and you obviously aren't actually interested in them.