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Their ships were good because they designed them after the Carthagineans boats. But Rome was never much cop in the sea and they were not too fond of it.
 
We expect to see your paper should you write one.
Don't be surprised if we mock it though-- we reserve that right.
 
One of the main reasons that the Romans sucked at sea battles is because they never thought to add balistas or catapults on their ships. They always went straight for the melee. So, as they're slowly approaching the enemy vessels, they're getting bombarded with 'greek fire' containers and trying hopelessly to put out the fires. By the time they got to the enemy ship, theirs were so badly burned, they had to take the enemy's or drown. So, congrats to the Carthagineans for inventing the first naval bombardment.
 
Grammour Boy said:
Thank you, guys, for the Roman military history lesson.
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It's really quite an interesting subject. I can list some good books for you to read if you're interested.
 
Conchaga said:
You could also probably attribute it to the fact that the Roman army was so stretched thin in that area due to separation by a large body of water (English Channel) and the gigantic distance from the Italian peninsula. Oh, and those pesky mountains, the Alps create a major detour. To move any army of considerable size that far and then over a large body of water would take months. Simply speaking, the odds were against them.

Yes, you're right, why don't they just sail around Europe to deposit the troops that way? Go do research on the Roman Navy. These guys totally PWNED on land, but get them out to sea and they have no fucking clue what they're doing.
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Yet the conquered England. They conquered much of the known world. Why could they not conquer Scotland? What does their 'naval' capability have to do with anything? Who was going to stop them crossing the English Channel? It's only about 17 miles apart at its narrowest point between France and England. Everyone else did that in their sleep, so you are telling me the Romans were morons? At the time of Hadrian's Wall, the Roman Navy was the most-powerful on earth. Fuck you are stupid.

Why would they have to sail 'around' Europe you dumb muff? They owned Gaul you silly piece-of-shit.
 
Conchaga said:
One of the main reasons that the Romans sucked at sea battles is because they never thought to add balistas or catapults on their ships. They always went straight for the melee. So, as they're slowly approaching the enemy vessels, they're getting bombarded with 'greek fire' containers and trying hopelessly to put out the fires. By the time they got to the enemy ship, theirs were so badly burned, they had to take the enemy's or drown. So, congrats to the Carthagineans for inventing the first naval bombardment.
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Although the first sea engagement, the Battle of the Lipari Islands in 260 BC, was a defeat for Rome, the forces involved were relatively small. The fledgling Roman navy won its first major engagement later that year at the Battle of Mylae. Through the course of the war, Rome continued to win victories at sea and gained naval experience. Their string of successes allowed Rome to push the war further across the sea to Carthage itself.

At the beginning of the Second Punic War (218 BC - 202 BC), the balance of naval power in the Western Mediterranean had shifted from Carthage to Rome. This caused Hannibal, Carthage's great general, to shift the strategy, bringing the war to the Italian peninsula.

Ultimately the enemy fleet was forced to give way to the Roman navy, bootlegged from their own and employing the new tactic at sea. In the other two following Punic Wars the navy played in either an important role. During other conquests, especially in the eastern Mediterranean, the navy played a very significant function. When the Mediterranean was mostly under Roman control (later to be called mare nostrum, our sea, by the Romans), the Roman naval strategists had no more to do then concentrate on rampant piracy.

After Rome's eventual victory over Carthage, there was no other sea power left to contend with Rome's marine might, and the Roman Navy was largely disbanded. In the absence of a strong naval presence, piracy flourished throughout the Mediterranean. Periodically, Rome would organize expeditions to deal with pirates. In 67 BC the Senate authorised Pompey to organize a large naval force and with this he effectively rid the Mediterranean of large scale piracy.
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Fucking dumb shit. How the fuck do you think Rome conquered the world? By smiling pretty? The only other naval power extant in the days of Empire were OTHER Roman navies.

s the Roman Republic unraveled in the period of civil war, competing Roman forces once again built up their naval might. Sextus Pompeius, in his conflict with Octavian, amassed a fleet powerful enough to threaten the vital supply of grain from Sicily to Rome. Octavian, with the help of Marcus Agrippa, built a fleet at Forum Iulii, and defeated Sextus in the Battle of Naulochus in 36 BC, finally putting an end to all Pompeian resistance. Octavian's power was further cemented against the combined fleets of Mark Antony and Cleopatra in the Battle of Actium in 31 BC. This last naval battle of the Roman Republic definitively established Rome, with Octavian in sole command, as the supreme naval power in the Mediterranean. After this, he formalised several key naval harbours for the mediterranean and the now fully professional navy had its main duties consist of protecting against piracy, escorting troops and patrolling the rivers frontiers of Europe.
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Lilac said:
We expect to see your paper should you write one.
Don't be surprised if we mock it though-- we reserve that right.
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You couldn't summon the intellect to read any of my papers if I gave you a US $1M in cash, cashier-boy!
 
And this coming from someone who uses the infantile 'No, you.' comeback.
Well then, I guess you couldn't summon the intellect to listen to any of the music I write. Or read the maps I draw. Or the densely interwoven epic I'm writing.
Some of us just aren't quite lucky enough to land a nice full-ride scholarship or go to school while mother and father dearest pay for everything, leaving only school assignments, booze, girls, football games, and frat toga parties to concentrate on. Some of us actually have to, shock, work to go to school, and are in majors that are, shock, expensive, because instruments and lessons and metronomes and music are, gasp, costly.
And I make decent money cashiering, too-- well above minimum wage. The job itself sucks.
 
Lilac said:
And this coming from someone who uses the infantile 'No, you.' comeback.
Well then, I guess you couldn't summon the intellect to listen to any of the music I write. Or read the maps I draw. Or the densely interwoven epic I'm writing.
Some of us just aren't quite lucky enough to land a nice full-ride scholarship or go to school while mother and father dearest pay for everything, leaving only school assignments, booze, girls, football games, and frat toga parties to concentrate on. Some of us actually have to, shock, work to go to school, and are in majors that are, shock, expensive, because instruments and lessons and metronomes and music are, gasp, costly.
And I make decent money cashiering, too-- well above minimum wage. The job itself sucks.
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Metronomes...Nice touch! ;)
 
Don't be a bigger idiot than you already are Keeks. Lilac is brilliant when it comes to passion about music, and from my personal interactions with him is accomplished in at least two instruments.

I have a BA in theatre for example, with a music minor. I've played tympani and vibraphone for the Vermont Symphony Orchestra and trap set and multiple percussion for the Vermont Jazz Ensemble. I've set stage for Aaron Copland, Alvin Ailey, Merce Cunningham, and the Mahavishnu Orchestra. I've studied with Gary Burton, and jammed with he and Chick Corea one fine motherfucker of an evening. I've taught at Berklee, and played in the House Band there.

It isn't all a troll all the time, you know.
 
I've got a Gary Burton/Chick Corea/Pat Metheny/Dave Holland/Roy Haynes mp3. w00t.
 
fucking holland and metheny. Damn I loved it when Metheny was working with Joni Mitchell and Tom Scott.

Hissing of Summer Lawns
 
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