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Well I don't give you the freedom to give me cancer by smoking in an enclosed room I am in, and until you prove otherwise the burden of proof is on you I'm afraid. Secondhand smoke is a proven carcinogen, whether you agree or not, it's been proven.

Vermont was the first state to stop smoking in bars and restaurants, and it's restaurant workers now have fallen off the top of the list in cancer diagnoses.

It's not about rights, it's about health.
 
eloisel said:
I've been "can't smoke" for 6 weeks now. I'm surviving it better than I thought I would. I think I went thru the nicotine withdrawls the first and second week when I was so sick I thought I was going to die anyway so I missed that. Haven't had to use my fake cigarette in about a week now too. Surprising that as this past weekend. Can't smoke in restaurants in Oklahoma so all the smokers go to the lakes and the rivers - where I go on the holidays. There were smokers to the left of me, smokers to the right - yahooo!
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Smoking is overrated anyway honey. I would soul kiss you for an hour a day for each day you didn't smoke.
 
Any law banning smoking in one's home is unconstitutional unless they criminalize smoking in general. The Supreme Court overturned all state sodomy laws because they were prosecuting consenting adults for practicing it in their own homes. If the activity isn't illegal, it can't be illegal to do it on one's own property. Otherwise, where IS it legal? And if it isn't legal anywhere, why isn't it just plain outlawed?

BTW, I quit smoking 20 years ago, but once in a great while, in stressful times, I might enjoy a cigarette or two just for the hell of it. It doesn't turn me back into a smoker, and months, sometimes years will go by before I even have the thought to do it again. If I can buy them in supermarkets, then nobody is going to tell me I can't smoke them in my living room.
 
eloisel said:
My last cigarette was on April 21, 2008. Keep track.
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I quit on January 31, cold turkey, after about 15 years of a nearly two pack a day habit and never looked back. How's it going for you? I find it incredibly liberating.

Anyway, I get what you're saying. It's a weird dichotomy that's going on now. It's a legal product, they can't ban it, they make shitloads of money off the taxes, yet they seem determined to outlaw its use pretty much everywhere. It seems to me that in the end you can't have it both ways. Something has to give.

As far as Obama is concerned, yeah, they're giving him a pass on this, but they seem to do this for politicians no matter who they are. There was some big expose on Laura Bush a few years ago claiming she was a chain smoker, but it was quickly swept under the rug. Or nobody cared.
 
It's legal. Unless she sucks butts out of ashtrays and wears nic patches to feed her fix, there's no judging to be done.

I also think past drug use shouldn't be a factor in determining one's fitness for office. As long as they aren't doing it now, who cares? Are we supposed forget the last 50 years of civilization and pretend that drug use hasn't been common in mainstream America? It's just not the issue it was 30 years ago.
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
It's legal. Unless she sucks butts out of ashtrays and wears nic patches to feed her fix, there's no judging to be done.
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Oh, I quite agree. I just find it interesting that your average cigarette smoker is being turned into some sort of social pariah that needs to be shunned at all costs.

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Eggs Mayonnaise said:
I also think past drug use shouldn't be a factor in determining one's fitness for office. As long as they aren't doing it now, who cares? Are we supposed forget the last 50 years of civilization and pretend that drug use hasn't been common in mainstream America? It's just not the issue it was 30 years ago.
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Agreed. Let's factor in prescription drugs for a moment, shall we? It could be argued that a number of these antidepressants, anti anxiety, and anti-ADD drugs can be much more harmful over the long run than pot, coke, or several other drugs that are labeled as being "BAD". Yet they're legal and becoming quite mainstream, so they don't count. Right?
 
Eggs Mayonnaise said:
Any law banning smoking in one's home is unconstitutional unless they criminalize smoking in general. The Supreme Court overturned all state sodomy laws because they were prosecuting consenting adults for practicing it in their own homes. If the activity isn't illegal, it can't be illegal to do it on one's own property. Otherwise, where IS it legal? And if it isn't legal anywhere, why isn't it just plain outlawed?

BTW, I quit smoking 20 years ago, but once in a great while, in stressful times, I might enjoy a cigarette or two just for the hell of it. It doesn't turn me back into a smoker, and months, sometimes years will go by before I even have the thought to do it again. If I can buy them in supermarkets, then nobody is going to tell me I can't smoke them in my living room.
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I know what you mean. I get a sick buzz when I smoke these days though, it's never pleasant.
 
To the gods in the sky
There's one thing you can do
You can send us some sun
And we'll play you this tune
Because sitting in our room
Lying down with a scoob
And the sunshine
Through our window
 
It's days like these
That make us happy
Like a puppy getting lucky
With Lassie hassle-free
Hours passing by
With the beat one two
Said it's days like these kicking back
Just doing what we do
 
It curious, though. Do you think he'll smoke in the White House should he make it there? I don't see how he could, since it's open to tours and whatnot. Maybe they'll build him his own little smoking area outside or something.

To all you smokers who are quitting, there's this new drug out now that's supposedly been pretty effective in getting people to quit. It's expensive (around $125 for a month's supply) but a lot of insurances have started paying for it because they figure that it's a smaller price to pay than if the person gets lung cancer. It's got about a 60% success rate, from what I understand, and I know some pretty heavy smokers that are near to quitting because of it. It's called Chantix. We go through a LOT of it at my pharmacy, so it must do something.
 
That's a mild form of Mellaril, from what I understand. Works really well too.
 
My stepfather is on his second try with Chantix.. I don't think he really wants to quit though.
 
Cacophony said:
To all you smokers who are quitting, there's this new drug out now that's supposedly been pretty effective in getting people to quit. It's expensive (around $125 for a month's supply) but a lot of insurances have started paying for it because they figure that it's a smaller price to pay than if the person gets lung cancer. It's got about a 60% success rate, from what I understand, and I know some pretty heavy smokers that are near to quitting because of it. It's called Chantix. We go through a LOT of it at my pharmacy, so it must do something.
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BECAUSE ITS ACTUALLY CRACK
 
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