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The more I hear about Trek XI the more I dislike it.

Well they had that weird genetic crap going on which I assume would take away their ridges, thus explaining the TOS era stuff. That still being the case, by the TOS era all the Klingons had no ridges.
 
We can't really blame J.J if the Klingons have ridges or not. That's been a wholly inconsistent aspect of Trek for years.


I still don't like the sound of this movie. I think I would be a lot happier if I thought J.J actually considered Star Trek in some high regard. So far I haven't had that impression.

I would be able to let a lot of what I'm hearing slide if I thought that there was some respect and reverence for the things Trek has done right. It's fair to say that with 700+ hours Trek has gone from the most derivative crap ever imagined to some of the greatest science fiction story telling in any medium.

I'm just not sure that J.J agrees with the latter.


I personally fall in the camp of being a bit of a canonist. I prefer to have things match up as best as possible. But I can accept an updated look as well since I don't think canon should override the fact that it has been 40 years since TOS began. I find it silly that some people want the design to look like the TV show since it's obvious that had they had the budget and design progressions we have today it wouldn't have looked that way. TOS has a charm and we all love the way it looks but I don't want that translated to the screen in its entirety in a feature film in 2009.

Then again I don't want to revist a young TOS crew in a movie that is going to change the fundemental histories of the characters. The stories for these characters, unlike the sets, has NOT become obsolete.

But, we are getting this movie and though it's definitley not the way I wanted to see things go it's also definitley not my call in any way, shape or form. So I'll continue to hope that they make a great movie regardless of my reservations.

But as I've said many times already, I'm not really that optimistic. But I also refuse to trash the whole project on the basis of what we know and have seen so far.

At least I'm trying not to. :)
 
Another thing... I think it's a huge mistake to have an in-movie explanation for canon changes.

It feels like they're trying to meet fans halfway. I just think it's going to be messy and the idea of alternative timelines sounds horrible.

There is a lot of discussion over whether this is a reboot or not. J.J keeps saying it's not but it really is with a timetravel explanation tacked on to free up the production of the movie in the "nu" direction he wants to take it.

Again, I have no idea how this is all going to play on screen and it might work but so far it sounds like a mess.


I'll be taking a bottle of Tequila with me to the screening. I'll drink a shot every time there is an "in joke" for the fans and I reckon I'll have the bottle finished before the first act is over...
 
I think the filmmakers would be silly/in denial not to call this a reboot. Obviously they are hoping this is going to be the next movie franchise, and from a storytelling standpoint, they aren't going to want to make movies that are basically rewritten TOS episodes.

If this is really successful and turns into a string of movies, eventually everyone will simply throw up their hands and call this Trek 2.0, with its own canon separate from the Roddenberry Trekverse.

And maybe Comic Book Guy will commit suicide.

:ccg:
 
It wouldn't be a bad thing if they did totally reinvent it. It had god too big for itself by the end of Enterprise, drowning in its own canon. Something Star Wars is getting dangerously close to doing.

Totally agree with Menty about in-movie explanations about canon changes too. What is meant to act as part-cutsey, part-exposition just comes over as patronising and false. Just make the changes and leave it at that.

Much like the 'Klingons have purple blood!" thing was never, ever mentioned again.
 
Someone on another forum said the ST we grew up with was starting to suck BIG TIME.. and that they are reinventing it. How can a 40yr old canceled show start to suck?! Dumbass :rwmad:
 
He probably meant the franchise and not just the original series.
 
Plus. the Star Trek we "grew up with" wasn't TOS, it was the TNG era. But it was starting to suck, after VOY added the catsuit.

Was the person just talking to T'Bonz and Sarek? ;)
 
The guy was replying to an old fart who was talking about ToS with bitchy OMG THEY'RE RUINING MY TREK nostalgia. I actually grew up with ToS, I watched the reruns with my mom. TNG wasn't till the 80's and by then I was already too cool for TV.


NO.. it wasn't at trekbbs or any other Trek-centric site. IT WAS AT MY SUPER SEKRIT SITE, WHERE I RULE WITH AN IRON FIST.
 
LINK US!
 
No.
 
You don't rule anywhere with an iron fist do you?
 
Mentalist said:
There is a lot of discussion over whether this is a reboot or not. J.J keeps saying it's not but it really is with a timetravel explanation tacked on to free up the production of the movie in the "nu" direction he wants to take it.
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Yep, he's balls deep in the franchise but insists he's not fuckin' it. That's probably what leaves me feeling the most insulted, is the implication that we're all too fuckin' stupid to see what he's doing.
 
Dr Dave said:
You don't rule anywhere with an iron fist do you?
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I don't know about ANYWHERE but I bet she rules UNDERWEAR with an iron fist! HA HA HA HA HA HA
 
It mgiht be good raggy ducks.
 
Cassie said:
The guy was replying to an old fart who was talking about ToS with bitchy OMG THEY'RE RUINING MY TREK nostalgia. I actually grew up with ToS, I watched the reruns with my mom. TNG wasn't till the 80's and by then I was already too cool for TV.


NO.. it wasn't at trekbbs or any other Trek-centric site. IT WAS AT MY SUPER SEKRIT SITE, WHERE I RULE WITH AN IRON FIST.
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I grew up watching TOS reruns as well. Its one of my fondest childhood memories. My mom would take us swimming and the we'd pick up my dad at the bus stop and then I'd come home and watch TOS. And then when I heard about TNG rather than being upset I thought it sounded cool especially when reading the reviews that talked about an android, a man with a visor, and being set 100 year's in the future of TOS. As a 14 year old kid that sounded so awesome!
 
The changes they have mad to TOS in this movie in terms of the bridge just look bad. At least with Enterprise you could tell it was in the past.

They could have at least made it a bit less flashy or something.
 
They are still trying to make a film thats 300 years in our future, you cant blame them for trying to make it futuristic.
 
Doesn't change the fact that the bridge is a mess, though.
 
I keep telling you, it'll be destroyed at the end of the movie and Kirk will order his new bridge from Amazon and it'll be the classic bridge, innit!
 
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