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TS...

I don't deny a holocaust happened. I take issue with the grossly inflated numbers that have been kept at six million for political reasons. If any of you want to argue that point with me I'll make you look like idiots. Just a friendly.

How are those inflated numbers? By whose standards?
 
Oh and, dispute the gas chamber numbers from the punchcards themselves. They could do 4400 on a good day between the 8 chambers.

Lets rock and roll motherfuckers, I'm feeling a bit ignorant today.
 
jack said:
The Hollerith Punchcards tell the tale :D You're the idiot, unfortunately.
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Amusingly it's mostly Nazi apologist websites that mention the Hollerith punch cards in order to arrive at absurdly low numbers.

From what I've been able to gather the Hollerith punch cards were primarily used for census taken by the Nazis in Germany and conquered countries. As for their use in extermination camps most of the machines and records were removed or destroyed before allied occupation. Using available data from the punch cards themselves would provide a very incomplete figure.

jack said:
Oh and, dispute the gas chamber numbers from the punchcards themselves. They could do 4400 on a good day between the 8 chambers.

Lets rock and roll motherfuckers, I'm feeling a bit ignorant today.
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Maximum efficiency is what the Soviets based their estimates on. It's certainly the wrong way to go about estimating or providing evidence for the total death toll.
 
Friday said:
TS, very funny. Or not.
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Yes, quite funny. Hilarious, in fact, even as it's insanely offensive, because it illustrates a shameful truth. The evidence truly and genuinely does not show what we're all apparently obligated to believe it does.

Your agenda is this: your denial is simply a troll. You believe this Holocaust denial crap about as much as I do, but have used it time and again as an effective troll.
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It's both. It's a troll and it's a screed against dishonesty and mass emotional blackmail.

You see, I don't believe you are a racist. Actually, I think you're a cool guy.
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There is nothing racist about refusing to believe a given people's claims, especially when those claims are both outlandish and largely supported by only the shoddiest, most threadbare evidence.

Furthermore, I don't give a shit what I'm expected to accept. I weigh evidence and arguments for myself, and I accept or reject the claims based on them myself. Anyone who wants to tell me what to think or believe can go fuck themselves, plain and simple.
 
jack said:
Oh and, dispute the gas chamber numbers from the punchcards themselves. They could do 4400 on a good day between the 8 chambers.

Lets rock and roll motherfuckers, I'm feeling a bit ignorant today.
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550 people per chamber per day. That would be impossible even for a modern crematory oven, and I'm pretty sure the technology hasn't gotten less efficient since that era.
 
"How long does it take to cremate a body?

Cremating at the optimum temperature (1600 - 1800 degrees), the average weighted remains takes 2 to 2 1/2 hours."

That's at the optimum temperature, presumably for an individual body. Now this is just a guess, but my guess is that multiple bodies in the same chamber would increase the time requirement for that... *shudder* batch. So how did these miracle ovens exceed the optimum performance of modern equipment under far from optimal conditions, Jack?
 
I think, Jack, that you've been told the cards claim that. And in the unlikely event that they actually do claim that, they're claiming the IMPOSSIBLE. Not the Improbable, nor the unlikely, but the IMPOSSIBLE. Time to look for other explanations as to why you're being fed a number that isn't consistent with the contemporary technology or even modern technology. The least unnecessarily complicated explanation for that is, it's a bullshit number arrived at to support a larger bullshit claim.
 
Okay, TS, I'll bite.

Assuming your figures are correct, what would be the reason to inflate the numbers?
 
Coincidence, TS.

You look for things to reify your particular stance on the Holocaust, and you find them.
 
This is a pretty one sided debate..those who disagree with the numbers provide their reasons, then they're called racists or their posts are just dismissed without a decent rebuttal.. why should anyone even bother?
 
Friday said:
Coincidence, TS.

You look for things to reify your particular stance on the Holocaust, and you find them.
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Take a moment to at least consider the possibility that it's just the other way around. I found the things that led to this stance, and thus I adopted this stance. And the stance is not, "I believe it didn't happen the way I'm told to believe it." It's "I don't believe it happened the way I'm told to believe it."

Lack of belief for a positive isn't the same as belief for a negative. Not everything is +1 or -1, some things actually are simply 0.
 
Cassie said:
This is a pretty one sided debate..those who disagree with the numbers provide their reasons, then they're called racists or their posts are just dismissed without a decent rebuttal.. why should anyone even bother?
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Because if the traditionally accepted side of the argument is right, 3 generations of innocent people have been punished for a crime they didn't commit. If the pariah side of the argument is right, 4 generations have been punished for a crime they didn't commit, and generations more have gotten away with a crime they are still committing.
 
The Saint said:
Because if the traditionally accepted side of the argument is right, 3 generations of innocent people have been punished for a crime they didn't commit. If the pariah side of the argument is right, 4 generations have been punished for a crime they didn't commit, and generations more have gotten away with a crime they are still committing.
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I didn't mean why should anyone bother with the debate in general, but why should anyone bother to debate here, in this thread. I'm talking about the comments like "Take your antisemitism and peddle it elsewhere" when no antisemitism was displayed. One side debates, the other side launches ad hominem attacks.. you're a troll, you're antisemitic.. etc.

If you're gonna call someone out at least do some work, make it interesting, back your shit up.
 
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