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Utahraptor--A Different One

Posted by Utahraptor on 09 February 1999 at 09:53:36:

This is not meant to knock anyone's religion or views, but to show what morons people who believe the Bible (Fundamentalists, Creationists, whoever) are. OK, remember now, they're defense is that God is all powerful, all knowing, and can do anything He damn well pleases. Forget that, and you'll lose my point against it.
So, first we're to believe God always existed. Impossible. You need a beginning, an origin. Then h creates everything (OK, fine). Then he makes man the top of the best, and let's him name all animals (OK, this is proven wrong cause man named animals, then assumed God wanted them to.) Now, this makes dinosaurs non existent, despite collaborating evidence to the contrary. Next, to create man, God turns dirt into Adam (OK, I'll buy molecular rearranging, and men do seem to be dirt. Ask any women.) Next He creates women from Adam's rib. This is called Cloning people. Yet cloning goes against the Bible, cause God's not creating it, and hence it has no soul. Yet cloning duplicates all, event he soul. So God then puts a fruit bearing tree in Eden, not wanting the first humans to eat it. OK, now He's just asking for it. Then Eve decides rather than listen to God, her creator and provider, with Adam, she must listen to a talking snake (Note: even if it was the Devil in disguise, Eve knew not, and so that defense goes out the window.) So we now have this insane chick listening to talking snakes, and having deluded dreams of grandeur, namely being a God. So, being the naked slut that she is, she forces Adam to eat the apple, or forever go without any love (OK, my theory on why.) Or else, Adam seems to think listening to Eve, who listens to talking snakes she just meets, is better than listening to God, his provider. Plus, we're to believe, prior to all this, Adam never knew that he nor Eve were naked. OK, I buy Adam being unaware that he has no underwear. But no straight guy (of which Adam clearly is,) can possibly look at a naked women, and not know she's nude. Trust me, he knew. Now there evicted form Eden, and punished. Then, Adam and Eve have kids, who marry other people, some of which seem to suddenly exist out of nowhere, and all humanity is conceived through incest (I assume Adam and Eve acted like my Gerbils, and did their own kids.). However, we know for a fact that incest brings about shall we say, imperfect people (based on today's standards.) OK, that'll explain about 6.6 Billion + people living today, plus more though out history. Then they change colors, based on pigmentation effects of the sun. Yet when has any African American had a white kid while living away from the sun? Or does this take millions of years? Oh wait. The world is under 6,000 years old, so it can't. It's clearly one generational changes, which we have yet to witness ever. So then some stuff happens, and people go evil, and God decides to kill everyone save Noah (and in most versions, his 3 sons and that bald guy, er, their wives.) OK, next we are to believe that in such a short time, Noah and company build an exceptionally huge ark, despite the fact that time would not allow this, even if they worked nonstop 24/7. So then, we're to believe that nobody believed him, nor locked him up for being crazy enough to build an overwhelmingly enormous, honking big ark. Right. Plus, we're to believe that Noah was able to gather 2 of every animal alive, in an even shorter time than he had to build the ark. Even if God teleports them all there, it's scientifically impossible to build an ark big enough to fit them all on, plus food and water for 40 days/nights plus extra non rainy time (Me thinks more than two were taken aboard, just that only 2 came off it.) Plus a waste management system. Even skipping all sea dwellers and amphibians, this is one huge feet to accomplish. Let alone be sea worthy, with such a huge ship, and so much wait on it.
Next, we're to believe that God punished every other animal not on the ark, for humanity's evil. And the plants that died from lack of carbon dioxide, and over watering from the flood. And on top of that, this si done to a race that believes the world is flat, and their land is the only land around. Now call me crazy, but I doubt those in Africa, or the Americas were all that evil. Seems to me like other people in other arks existed back then. But Noah was the only one you say? Fine. So God killed only the European/Asians. But a flood around the world would kill innocents, and that didn't happen. So obviously, a great big honking wall appeared in the sea to protect the saved. Right. And even with a world wide flood, or walled floods, surely salt water and fresh water mixed, and animals swam all over the place, thus not surviving in opposite waters. Yet we're to believe either they did, or the water stayed separated. Plus then Noah, his family, and the 2 of every animal not on the ark used incest once again to repopulate the world (yet Gerbils survived and they eat their incest spawned children. I know from personal experience.)
Then more stuff happened, and Jesus was born. OK, Joseph didn't knock Mary up. God did. But no one believes God did it with her, nor will they believe He beamed His sperm in. Obviously, he took one of Mary's eggs and cloned it into Jesus. Cloning can involve gender changes, and surely God can do that if He can clone. Then this dude starts telling everybody how to behave and has mindless drones following him around. Whatevery. Yet people can't decide if Jesus had his own powers, or God gave it to him. Plus, people insist God gave up ruling the universe for 33 years to live as a human and experience the human touch. Right. Believable if aliens didn't exist. They do (note: not come here to Earth, just that they do exist somewhere, somewhen), so that proves that. Plus others say God was God and Jesus at the same time, and was this Holy Ghost of whom I know nothing of, and won't comment on, save for that God can't be two or more beings at once, short of cloning Himself, or robots, etc, and Bible people
will laugh at you if you insist. Then people kill Jesus, and God doesn't seem to mind being killed, or people killing His son, and doesn't smite back. Yet kill anyone else, and you go to Hell. Weird favoritism He's got. SO anyway, then God stops the sun (whenever), and that worked only if the Earth is the center of the incredibly small universe, of which no life exists at all save for Earth, and the sun orbits us. I'll give you that God bent the light to appear frozen (having slightly over 8 minutes form sun to Earth helps a lot.) Then God says the Messiah will come, and everybody believes it's Jesus, yet Jews back another dude, and other religions undoubtedly do the same. But all you ever hear is support Jesus as out savior, or burn in hell. Not, support a savior, just let's force Jesus on everybody, who might be God's son, our God Himself, or else a long haired weirdo with a God complex, and at least told everybody to be have. Then more stuff happens, God stops talking to us, and we enter the present (OK, so He seems to like messing with the Jews, and instead of teleporting us across a desert, we must walk for 40 years, and eat food off the sand. Oh really now. That's too much. God can make food appear on the ground, but damn if He'll do plates? Really.)
OK, so now everybody's saying the world will end in the new century/millennium (rounds about). OK. First off, why would God punish all non human life for humanity's mistakes? Remember my complaints above? Good. Then we're to believe that in the end, God has one final Judgment, nobody's in Heaven yet mind you, and the good get to live in Heaven on Earth, with God Himself (And He writes stuff on our foreheads. Not that we get a say in all this.) So in other words, God decides that the evilest species is his favorite, screws all other aliens, and moves to Earth. And will anybody tolerate aliens in our afterlife? Nope. Try and convince me otherwise. I bet God wouldn't let them live here with Him, even if people accept aliens in our universe. This was all well and good in a world where Earth was the only habitable planet. Guess what? That theory's wrong.
Plus, we have these eediots who think if they bring Jesus back, they'll be rewarded. Uh uh. You kill everybody, you go to hell. God ain't gonna thank you for speeding up His plans.
So that proves that the Bible disregards reality and science. And facts, and evidence, and proof. It was a nice theory at the time, but truth, reality, etc proves it's as outdated as humans are the only smart animal on Earth, the sun revolves around us, and dinosaurs were giant lizards. So give it up people. You're wrong. It was a nice ride while it lasted, but we all knew form the start that this wouldn't work at all. Oh yeah. Your only proof to all the Bible stuff is the Bible, which si let's say 2000 years old, highly outdated, and written by Homo Sapiens, who lie so much, God needed a whole Commandment to stop them.
Thanks for bearing with this long post.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 10 February 1999 at 08:07:31:

In Reply to: Wow! posted by Jurassosaurus on 09 February 1999 at 16:39:22:

: That is the longest and most coherent post I've ever read from you. Quite impressive.

: I definitely agree. With all the stuff that God has done, it makes you wonder who the real devil is.

I spelled check my long winded ones.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 10 February 1999 at 08:49:08:

In Reply to: Re: Reality??? posted by Flower on 09 February 1999 at 20:22:53:

: Are you talking about the Bible in its entirety or just parts?

The parts which claim Noah's Ark, Adam and Eve, and Revaltions for the most part. But I'm sure I can find things wrong with the rest. Just like like the Torah, and everybody else's books.


: OK, remember now, they're defense is that God is all powerful, all knowing, and can do anything He damn well pleases.
:
: All powerful pretty much means he can do whatever he damn well pleases.

Right, and I'm saying that answer is wrong. And everyhtign else below proves the impossibility of their claims.

: : So, first we're to believe God always existed. Impossible. You need a beginning, an origin.
: Now, this makes dinosaurs non existent, despite collaborating evidence to the contrary.

: How do you know it makes dinosaurs non-existent? Does the Bible name every species of being? That would be a book in itself!

Cause dinos lived millions of eyars ago. Bible says Erath is considerably a lot less ages old. SO no dinso since dinos never saw man, and vice versa.

: Next He creates women from Adam's rib. This is called Cloning people. Yet cloning goes against the Bible, cause God's not creating it, and hence it has no soul. Yet cloning duplicates all, event he soul.

: Cloning duplicates the soul? Then philosophers worldwide must be happy that they can now be in agreement that one exists at all! Can I trade mine in for a new one?

Yup. Can't have a body withotu a soul (well, not including astro plane projetcions, but I mena originally. We're bornw ith a soul,a nd cloning clones the soul too. Oh yeah, when people's briasn get swtiched in Science Ficiton, their souls switch too.

: So we now have this insane chick listening to talking snakes, and having deluded dreams of grandeur, namely being a God.

: How was Eve to know that snakes didn't talk? Was there a basis for comparison? Maybe she thought all of the animals talked, just not to her, and how are we to know that animals didn't talk?

OK, but still, why lsiten to not God, than God?

: Plus, we're to believe, prior to all this, Adam never knew that he nor Eve were naked. OK, I buy Adam being unaware that he has no underwear. But no straight guy (of which Adam clearly is,) can possibly look at a naked women, and not know she's nude. Trust me, he knew.

: Again I say, was there a basis for comparison? If we were all taught from birth to walk around nude, what would we know of clothes? It would be as normal to us then as it is now to see clothed people.

No straight man can posisbly miss the fact that the naked chick before him is naked.

: Now there evicted form Eden, and punished. Then, Adam and Eve have kids, who marry other people, some of which seem to suddenly exist out of nowhere, and all humanity is conceived through incest (I assume Adam and Eve acted like my Gerbils, and did their own kids.). However, we know for a fact that incest brings about shall we say, imperfect people (based on today's standards.) OK, that'll explain about 6.6 Billion + people living today, plus more though out history.

: People were imperfect from the start. That's the point-we're not God.

OK, then imperfect as deformed, or mentally challenged. And God ain't perfect, or we'd ahve dinos still existing, no humans,a nd a dino on thsi baord praising God for nto ever extinctifying them afetr 185 MIllion years.

: Then they change colors, based on pigmentation effects of the sun. Yet when has any African American had a white kid while living away from the sun?

: What color is the father? What are the phenotypes of the genes from each parent?

Doesn't matetr. Whatever color Adam was, the kids were. Or were Adam and Eve interacial? And thta still doesn't account for the varities in color.

: Or does this take millions of years? Oh wait. The world is under 6,000 years old, so it can't. It's clearly one generational changes, which we have yet to witness ever.

: Tell that to victims of Thalidamyde, Hiroshima, Chernobyl...

Sp they changed colors, which their kids kept?

: So then some stuff happens, and people go evil, and God decides to kill everyone save Noah (and in most versions, his 3 sons and that bald guy, er, their wives.) OK, next we are to believe that in such a short time, Noah and company build an exceptionally huge ark, despite the fact that time would not allow this, even if they worked nonstop 24/7.

: Our time, Noah's time, or God's time?

Time itself. It's always a constant. God didn't change the lenght of time betwene ages (OK, maybe he sped up Noah,a nd slowed the universe down, but I doubt it.)

: So then, we're to believe that nobody believed him, nor locked him up for being crazy enough to build an overwhelmingly enormous, honking big ark. Right. Plus, we're to believe that Noah was able to gather 2 of every animal alive, in an even shorter time than he had to build the ark. Even if God teleports them all there, it's scientifically impossible to build an ark big enough to fit them all on, plus food and water for 40 days/nights plus extra non rainy time (Me thinks more than two were taken aboard, just that only 2 came off it.) Plus a waste management system. Even skipping all sea dwellers and amphibians, this is one huge feet to accomplish. Let alone be sea worthy, with such a huge ship, and so much wait on it.

: If we're to think that God is all powerful, why can't we believe that he could fit all of the animals plus Noah and company on the Ark, give them food (as in your desert example) and do a bit of clean-up too?

Right, but my point is, He's not, and all thsic an't be, based on simple reality.

: : Next, we're to believe that God punished every other animal not on the ark, for humanity's evil. And the plants that died from lack of carbon dioxide, and over watering from the flood. And on top of that, this si done to a race that believes the world is flat, and their land is the only land around. Now call me crazy, but I doubt those in Africa, or the Americas were all that evil. Seems to me like other people in other arks existed back then. But Noah was the only one you say? Fine. So God killed only the European/Asians. But a flood around the world would kill innocents, and that didn't happen.

: How do you know it didn't happen?


Cause only the evil was punished even if you accept God punished evil animals, human's "Superiority' would make God save a hell of a lot more that Noah's cronnies.

: Plus then Noah, his family, and the 2 of every animal not on the ark used incest once again to repopulate the world (yet Gerbils survived and they eat their incest spawned children.

: Many cultures throughout history used incest to propagate.

And it still makes imperfect people. Now, multiply this imperfetcness by about 6000 years of generations. See. We're far better than can be expected.

: : Then more stuff happened, and Jesus was born. OK, Joseph didn't knock Mary up. God did. But no one believes God did it with her, nor will they believe He beamed His sperm in. Obviously, he took one of Mary's eggs and cloned it into Jesus.

: So God was cloned? Cool! Now I know what God looks like if the depictions of Jesus are correct. You know, I think I might have seen God out at Billys!

No you don't. That was God in human form. Or ratehr, it was a male Mary (only ehr egg wa sused, which ahd ehr DNA, so He cloend her into a male, and thta was Jesus.) And thta's only if God was Jesus. IF Jesus was God's son, this definitely proves you ahve eyt tos ee Him. BEsides, He obviosuly appears in the form of whoever looks at Him, for easier acceptance.

: Cloning can involve gender changes, and surely God can do that if He can clone.

: As far as I've understood, Jesus is the son. Cloning isn't necessary to accomplish that.

Right, but did God release sperm into Mary Beam it down Scotty? How did He get His sperm (if he has any) into her? Or did He take His DNA and put it in their another way?

: Yet people can't decide if Jesus had his own powers, or God gave it to him.

: Does it really matter?


Well, I mean. Comeon and get your story striaght before you become a religion. Betetr to eb united in most beliefs, than have a hundred different conflciitng ones. HOw cna nayoen be taken seriously then?

: Plus, people insist God gave up ruling the universe for 33 years to live as a human and experience the human touch. Right. Believable if aliens didn't exist. They do (note: not come here to Earth, just that they do exist somewhere, somewhen), so that proves that.

: So, God didn't create aliens too?

Yes He did. Hence why He woudln't abandon them for 33 eyars to live as a human.

: Plus others say God was God and Jesus at the same time, and was this Holy Ghost of whom I know nothing of, and won't comment on, save for that God can't be two or more beings at once, short of cloning Himself, or robots, etc,

: I always thought that the Holy Ghost was the soul, boy do I feel dumb. If you read some theories by some very intelligent dudes, not to mention many religions outside of christianity, God is about 6.6 billion different things at once, not to mention everything else aside from humans.

OK, now thta's just palin ridiculous. God is God, His own son, and His own son's soul? Oh geez, thta si totlaly unbelievable. I'll give you Father and Son, but the soul is God's spiritual form,a nd it's stoopid to count i differently, or else everybody si 2 beings, their orgainc form,a dn their soul, and well three or mroe witht heir children due to DNA being apssed along generation by genertaion. And nobody willa dmit to beign so amny people at ocne. We count body and soul as one.

: : Then people kill Jesus, and God doesn't seem to mind being killed, or people killing His son, and doesn't smite back.

: Why do you say that God didn't mind when Jesus was killed? If God smote everyone who did something wrong, this would be a very empty universe.
God would seek vengance for His son's detah. He's a lovign god, rememebr? And God doesn't smite for every thing doen wrong, jsut the big ones, ie killing HIm or His son.

: But all you ever hear is support Jesus as out savior, or burn in hell. Not, support a savior, just let's force Jesus on everybody, who might be God's son, our God Himself, or else a long haired weirdo with a God complex, and at least told everybody to be have.

: So basically your problem is with attitudes and beliefs of certain denominations of christianity, not christianity in general or the Bible.

Yeah. The beliefs. The Bible is mroe or less the beliefs. BUt I emna, as a Jew, aren't I more likely to abck our Rabbi wahat's his name for Saviorhood,a dn not Jesus? And then, if I do, why should I go to Hell for supporting hima nd not Jesus as the Savior? Am I nto supporting everyhtign JEsus stands for (or ratehr whatt eh Savior stands for.) I emna, telling us to support a Savior is fine. Forcing one candidate on us is not. But I do ahve Christian friends, of whom I don't hate for that, ro think thems toopid for believeing these thigns with blind faith. That's their choice and right.

: Then more stuff happens, God stops talking to us, and we enter the present (OK, so He seems to like messing with the Jews, and instead of teleporting us across a desert, we must walk for 40 years, and eat food off the sand. Oh really now. That's too much. God can make food appear on the ground, but damn if He'll do plates? Really.)

: Why do they need plates? They got food didn't they? Really, do you need a plate to survive?

Try eating food off the dirty ground, then see if you wnat to go abkc to usign plates. I pefer my sandwhiches sand free, spank you very much.

: Then we're to believe that in the end, God has one final Judgment, nobody's in Heaven yet mind you, and the good get to live in Heaven on Earth, with God Himself (And He writes stuff on our foreheads. Not that we get a say in all this.)

: Actually, you do get a say in it. You can deny it and not be saved.


Why? Just cause I prefer not to be sued as a piece of paper, I cna't be saved. I'm all fro God's ruels and stuff, jsut not wearing stuf fon ym forehead. Besides, in the end, the only one selft on Erath all ahve the word written on their ehads, so why bother? It's not liek an unfaithful is there, thatw e need to identify ourselves from them.

: So in other words, God decides that the evilest species is his favorite, screws all other aliens, and moves to Earth. And will anybody tolerate aliens in our afterlife? Nope. Try and convince me otherwise. I bet God wouldn't let them live here with Him, even if people accept aliens in our universe.

: Does an alien soul look different from a so-called human one? Maybe on another planet on the other side of the universe, Mem-glop is writing on a message board telling people about how nobody will tolerate aliens in the afterlife. The aliens being us.

Yup. Souls look like the body. Look in the mirror. That's what your soul looks like. I agree with Mem-glop. Doe she ahve problems spelling too?

: This was all well and good in a world where Earth was the only habitable planet. Guess what? That theory's wrong.

: So, you have proof of life on other planets. When we say that Earth is the only habitable planet, maybe we're just talking about for humans. Hmm... that could be it.

Yes. Probabilty, logic, relaity. Plsu, they don't mena habital for huamns, we mena Eratha nd only Erath.

: : Plus, we have these eediots who think if they bring Jesus back, they'll be rewarded. Uh uh. You kill everybody, you go to hell. God ain't gonna thank you for speeding up His plans.

: So the only way to bring Jesus back is to kill a bunch of people? Thanks for the info, maybe I should try it...

NO, that's people's belief. Speed thigns up and get it over with.

: It was a nice theory at the time, but truth, reality, etc proves it's as outdated as humans are the only smart animal on Earth, the sun revolves around us, and dinosaurs were giant lizards. So give it up people. You're wrong. It was a nice ride while it lasted, but we all knew form the start that this wouldn't work at all. Oh yeah. Your only proof to all the Bible stuff is the Bible, which si let's say 2000 years old, highly outdated, and written by Homo Sapiens, who lie so much, God needed a whole Commandment to stop them.

: I like this a lot. You're right, the Bible is highly outdated and written by homo sapiens and edited by popes and kings and whomever with a certain amount of power felt the need. How do you know that all of your questions aren't answered and all of your arguments aren't thwarted in the original Bible? Well, we wouldn't know would we?


I think it did, so they had to rewrite it to bring up faith. How many Christians would still believe in God if everyhtign I discussed was true, and it's all been one big lie? Can thye ahndle the Savior beign the ultimate scare tatic by God? I don't think so.

: : Thanks for bearing with this long post.

: No problem, I enjoyed it.

Goody then.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 10 February 1999 at 09:04:55:

In Reply to: Re: Reality posted by Gremlin on 10 February 1999 at 00:16:15:

: About souls, there's no proof at all that they exist. And, according to most theologians, cloning an ensouled lifeform wouldn't produce a soul, which is what makes genetic engineering so unholy. I don't buy it, because I can't believe in souls. But that's what the 'experts' seem to think.

Well, thye wnat to clone slaves and spare part factories, so fo course they'lld eny souls,a s wil Funadamentlaists and such, claimign only God cna create souls (and allowing enslavements and body ahrvesting of clones.) Perhaps making headless clones will kepe a soul from being cloned, or at leats being mroe than a vegitabel,w hich might be alright. But I doubt it.

: You're right about the sun revolving about a flat Earth at the time the bible was written. It makes a number of assumptions on the state of the universe which have since been disproven. But, even beyond fresh- and saltwater life in the water, there's also bacteria to consider. According to one source, all anumals were taken onto a boat measuring 300 cubits, or 450 feet, in length, except for unicorns and dragons. That means that the boat was holding not just elephants and whales, somehow, but also bacteria and virii. I have to wonder whetherm in all of forty days and nights, anyone ever managed to get any sleep.

OK, bacteria and such cna fit onbaord easily, and I'll even buy inhabiting people and animals, but nto infetcing,a nd totally leavign after the flood. But even tkaing itno acocutn no unicorns/dragons/dinos, no way can 2 of every animal fit on baord a 450 long boat, wiht food, watse,a nd 1-8 people. To do so, it'd be about as wide as the Earth. And I know it wans't that wide. This si even including animals riding on top fo each other.

: Christianity is about the only religion which accuses the creator entity of having any offspring. There's also the Odin/Thor and Zeus/Hercules twist [the later was even an extramarital thing, just like YHWH and Mary] but, in general, most religions blame life on a single entity, working alone.

Zeus's many kids are a result of the emrging fo religions. Zues became eveyrbody's main God, merging with the former. Hera didn't emrge wihtt he toehr big god's wives, so Zue swas married to them, ehcne allt he problems (plus his doing human chicks as well.) That's what makes Disney's Hercules so funny. DIsney si big on families, eyt delas with a President Clinton like Supremem Diety.

: Otherwise, you've got it about right.
Yes, hecne the major problems with msot relgions. Alway with the anti reality. I sue Christnaities cause it's so well knwon. Though msot cuktures are supposed to have a flood story.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 10 February 1999 at 09:20:39:

In Reply to: Re: Reality posted by wyvern on 10 February 1999 at 01:41:24:

: First of all, why did you write this? What if someone read your bad rhetoric, and now they lost faith with thier religion? Is that what your trying to accomplish? You know, it just kills me that someone without clue one in their head can sit behind a computer and smugly hurl this junk at people they will never see! Do you ever think of the consequences of your actions? Do you know what a archetype is? Although you sit there and compose this long list of absolute garbage, you can't get past your own narrow mind. The religion is not the problem, it's loud mouthed, arrogant fools like you! Wake up!

I worte this to prove a point, and becasue of the sueing God bit, and all Grmelins discussions on God's non existance. Bad rhetoric? I know not what rhetoirc is, but it's definitely nto bad. Andif they loose faith int heirr eligion, A) thye ahd no faith ever B) thyes eeme dto msis the part on I'm not trying to offend anyone (like you msise dit, Mr. Illeiterate.) 3) if their faith si base dont hese htigns, they are fools. Faith needs mroe than a flood, cloned sons, and tow humans icnetsing abotu humanity.
Oh like you have not clue one? Yes, I can see how you hate yourself so. I htink of the consequence sof my actions all the time. Shame you don't.
Archetype? Wlel my list is pure truth. Only garbage here is yours. My mind's a lot more wider than you's. Who's the Ass degrading other they'll never see , not caring what conseuences their atcions bring, psoting dribble at bets (and it's at it's worst),a nd who's the anrrow minde doen that blindly accepts thta 2 of every animal, plus 1--8 humans, plus food water and waste cna all fit on a 450 long ark, and stay afloat for 40 days and nights, plsu extra non rainy time?
You need to WAKE UP my evil, brianless fiend. You'r ethe loud mouthed arrogant fool times too. You cna't get past what you've been forced to believe,a nd balme others for saying you're wrong. REligion si nto the problem ehre, it's eediots liek you who force your reliigon and beliefs on toehrs. Stop ringing our belsl tyrign to ge tus to convert to a Jesus is savign us and no oen els eeve rwill society. Cultist! Can't handle a little questioning of one's belief? Did you find Bambi's mother's detah sad? At all?
Don't read Gremlin's HWta's NEw, or you'll have to dela with him telling yuo you're relaity altering God doesn'tmexist. MORON. Well, what do you expetc from an eediot who name shismelf afetr none xistant animals? Sheesh. It's brianless Sapes like you who keep me strande dont hsi miserabel dump of a bakcwate rpalnet, chock full of Stoen AGe technology,w hile the rest fo the unvierse gets to travel about the JEt Age with my Scientia.
PS. This pos twas to offend you. Please make sure to raise your blood pressur eby at elast 10 points. I'd say Lauqe Era LLa OT, but you clealy don't believe in it. Well,w hat do you expcet form oenw ith less inteligenc than fund in half the brain of a dead ameba? And htye ahve no brains, incedentally.
PSS I purposely refused to spell chekc jsut to annoy you. Yeha i cna spell, my psot cna prove that. OH wait, I forgot, you cna't read,c na you? Noe. Well, ask Mommy to tell you how I'm ignoring your moronic little repleis that she ahd to amek for you, Nit wit.
 
Posted by Utahratpor on 11 February 1999 at 09:41:34:

In Reply to: the ark posted by Vigo on 10 February 1999 at 18:36:23:

: who's the anrrow minde doen that blindly accepts thta 2 of every animal, plus 1--8 humans, plus food water and waste cna all fit on a 450 long ark, and stay afloat for 40 days and nights, plsu extra non rainy time?

:
: ::: NOT TO BE AN ASS BUT UTAH DONT SOUND TO CONFIDENT YET WE HUMANS HAVE BUILT SHIPS THAT CARRY 5000 HUMANS PLUS FOD WATER AND EXTRA STUFF THAT SAIL FOR MORE THAN A FEW MONTHS WITH OUT REFULING, ALSO IN THE " DARK AGES" WE HAD SHIPS THAT SAILED FOR MONTHS ON END WITH OUT OUR SO EXPANDED TECHNOLOGY WITH A CREW OF 50 AND A CARGO OR 500 SLAVES, SO YES IT IS POSSIBLE TO DO FOURTY DAYS IN A ARK.
: -V-

YEs, but you forget thta animals coem in bigger (longer)msizes thna humans. SO with tow of every animal, at varying sizes, 450 ft won't cut it. now 2 of eveyr knwon animal might, but thta's nto what'said (Ok, so it was menat to eb known, but still.)
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:38:46:

In Reply to: Reply to the subjective musings of a first grader posted by Mephistopheles on 11 February 1999 at 02:53:19:

God you write too much.
: You sure proved it to me. Maybe you proved it to Gremlin though. Would you feel better if you had?

: Bad rhetoric? I know not what rhetoirc is, but it's definitely nto bad.

: No, it really is. Like the spelling. I guess the same faculties do go hand in hand though. English and all that. It's a class they teach in schools. You know, grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc.

And to think, I spelled checke dit too. Well, there you go folks, living proof humans rely to heavily on useless thigns liek spell chekcers. And I take it you don't knwo what rhetoric is either.
: Andif they loose faith int heirr eligion, A) thye ahd no faith ever

: How can you lose something you never had? Any thoughts on that? Hmm... I'm waiting.
Simple. You neve rhad it, yet claim to. Hence why they lsot it. See?

: B) thyes eeme dto msis the part on I'm not trying to offend anyone (like you msise dit, Mr. Illeiterate.)

: I would think that if this person really is illiterate, you wouldn't be writing a response, would you? More of that mind-numbing logic I assume.
Yes i would. To psis them off that they don't knwo what I'm saying then look like eediots when replyign to ema llw rong. Liek you just did. See?

So, you spout off a bunch of waste, you totally rip apart parts of the Bible with your pithy reasoning and expect people to believe that you're Mensa's Man of the Year, but you weren't trying to offend anyone? What did you think you was going to happen? Did you think you were going to get the Nobel Peace Prize? Maybe a Pulitzer?
When did Is ay believe me? I justs aid you cna't prove thsi crap without an all powerful God, and that don't cut it.

: 3) if their faith si base dont hese htigns, they are fools.

: Quite possibly. Fools come in so many shapes and web-names.
Like Mephistopheles

: Faith needs mroe than a flood, cloned sons, and tow humans icnetsing abotu humanity.

: So, when will you be opening your church? Remind me to bomb it.
See, this is why you're gonan eb burnign in Hell in jsut voer a yera? CVhurhc bomber! can't stand soemoen preaching that there really ids a GOd can you? Nope. Not when He won't save ou, Primitive Earther Dummy Boy!!!!

: : Oh like you have not clue one?

: Could you say that again in English?
Certainly my dear Dumb Dumb. Oh like you have not clue one?

: Yes, I can see how you hate yourself so.

: Sorry, try door number two. You can see how this person hates themself? Are you out of your body? How would you know where to look?
Intelligenc emostly. Read his post. It's palina s day. Just keep thinking about it. It's really ratehr obviosu.
: I htink of the consequence sof my actions all the time. Shame you don't.

: And exactly how would you know that?

see my reply above.
: It's a shame that you don't actually HAVE a grasp of reality.
Whose? Yours/ Mine? OR the real oen?
Maybe you should change the subject title to "Subjective Idiocy by Me.",
K< I did. Thanks for the tip.

and leave out the part where you have the answers to all of the questions that people infinitely brighter than you have been unable to find in the past or the present.

actually, I agev no anwsers. ONly challenged answers. A s for thsoe smarte rthan me, None who ar ehave atcually tried to com up witht eh answrs, ehcne why we have none. DUH!


: : Archetype? Wlel my list is pure truth.

: Pure truth. PROVE IT. Not with your logic, with real facts. I don't consider what you prattled on about as real facts.
You'r Opinion. I don't have to defenbd myself to you. You msut prove to em that 2 of every animalc an fit on a 450 long boa,t with food and waste. COme on, I'mw aiting.
Truth is a relative thing.
It's pretty obvious. Prove to em that 2+2 don't be equalling 4?
What's pure truth?
Truth wiht no lies, DUH!

Is that truth that only originated from one person and hasn't been sullied by others? I think the truth is that you wanted to impress some people and you failed.
Impress who? W ith what? Logic. Right. Good point. Youc an't sue logic on a human. Tehy're fra too stoopid to grasp fatc 1.
: Only garbage here is yours.

: Well, thank God! I didn't want the garbage that's HERE! Remind me not to go THERE or else I'll probably have to claim it.
huh?
: Yeah, I can see that. Open to a little criticism huh? Thinking that maybe someone is right instead of you? You're proving it in this post too.
Of course I think soemoen else cna eb right. I'm jsut waiting for oen fo them to actuall reply tot hsi psot. You're doing what you're accusing em fod oing. BEing afrais that I'm right,a dn you cna;t handle it. How the fucken Hell cna 2 of every animal fit on a 450 foot long boat, plsu food,water, and waste? Huh Sape Boy. ANSWER ME! HOW THE FUCKEN HELL CAN THAT EVEN HAPPEN, MR I HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS. TELL ME!
: Who's the Ass degrading other they'll never see , not caring what conseuences their atcions bring, psoting dribble at bets (and it's at it's worst),a nd who's the anrrow minde doen that blindly accepts thta 2 of every animal, plus 1--8 humans, plus food water and waste cna all fit on a 450 long ark, and stay afloat for 40 days and nights, plsu extra non rainy time?


: Well, the Ass would be you, that was already established.
yes you did establish the assnes sof your self. Good fro you.
What consequences? Were your widdo feewings hut?
WHAT!
That's DRIVEL, dribble has to do with saliva or basketball.
OK, so?
Where does it say that the writer of the response blindly accepts anything?
read it again. Just keep thinking about it. It's really ratehr obviosu.
I think you're jumping to conclusions just a tad bit, and I also think you need to get off of this Ark thing.
I did. Tehre wasn;t any room. too amny animals and food and waste, etc.

Did you have a bad experience on a boat with an animal or something? It's called therapy, look into it.
Yes, I msut egt you soem. You seem to think you msut prove someone's piont wrong. You' udnerstand why I'm on the ark, if you udnertsood anyhting. Primitve Eartehr Dummy BOy!
: : You need to WAKE UP my evil, brianless fiend.

: Evil. Hmm... Doesn't the Bible say that evil exists? Well, you've totally proven that we can't believe the Bible, so evil must not exist either. I don't think that someone can be evil if it doesn't exist.
The Bible si oen fo many things that prove sevil. You';r eposts did too. Primitive Eartehr Dummy Boy!
How do you know this person is brianless? There are a hell of a lot of Brians out there you know!
Yup. HE's nto one., You'r enot one. I'm one. And one's tyrign tot ake over thwe world form a little girl's bedroom. NARF!
Fiend? Nice attempt at witty repetoire.
What on Erath ever agve you the diea that fiend was a witty repetoire/ Glad to se eit was a ncie wityt repeitore though. Tehre's the bets kind.

Remaing garbage deleted cause it wa snmroe fot he smae. You're atatckign em casue I said soem fo your beliefs were wrong. Priitve Eartehr Dummy Boy.

SO SAPE, TELL EM HWO 2 OF EVEYR ANUMAL CANFIT ON A 450 FT LONG ARK, WITH ROOM FOR FODD, WATER AND WSTE FOR OVER 40DAYS AND 40 NITES (AND REMEMEBER,T HE BIBKLE ASLO SAYS THTA TI WAS 7 OF EAHC AIMAL. POINT PROVEN, PRIMITIVE E
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 12 February 1999 at 08:21:10:

In Reply to: Seemed to fit =) --nt-- posted by Gremlin on 12 February 1999 at 04:34:36:

Danger Will Robinson! Danger!
It relaly did fit in so nicely, too. As Scooby would say," Rice run Remrin."
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 12 February 1999 at 08:18:09:

In Reply to: From the depths of my fires posted by Scratch on 12 February 1999 at 01:37:16:


: So, does the Bible say how deep or how wide the ark is? Are the animals the same size as they are now? You know, humans have continued to get bigger over the years. Are they the same animals we have now or are the animals we have now offshoots of the originals? Maybe they were all 3" long and 2" tall. Incidentally, I do know what rhetoric means. It means bombast. I know what that means too. I see that you're not going to get the point. You claim to know my beliefs and that I'm attacking you because you said they were wrong. You didn't say that my beliefs were wrong. My beliefs aren't on this board anywhere. I would be really surprised if they were. Like I said, I was playing on the court we were on. Meaning that you responded to someone who felt strongly about what you posted with condescention and malice. So I did the same to you. It's not fun is it? I've accomplished what I wanted, but I doubt it will make a difference. Nice to see you can respond to everything that's thrown at you, and with such hurtful retorts too. Sticks and stones may break my bones, but name calling won't make you look any smarter.

Animals would abrely make a bigger change, like huamns didn't. And we all know they were not in Micro Machine sizes.
Actaully, MORON, I responded to someone's condescending and malicious response. So, techncially, you had no right to do the same to me. All you did was make yourself look stoopidier than the first. Then you had to chaneg your anme onto of that. NOt much fun to make a fool of yourself while trying to look smart, eh? Wlel, we knwo you cna't posisbly do the reverse. Youa ccomplsihed nothing, jsut fuled a fire. So it cna't make a difference at all, Primitve Earther Dummy Boy. And when did Ie evr say that calling people anme's made me smarter? It's doen to amke the other perosn upset? DUH! NOT fun to ahve soemoen tear your posts apart and degrade you and hurt your feelings, is it? Seems to em liek yuo haven't quite figured out who you're really mad at. And now you've embarressed yourself so mcuh, yuo have toc haneg your name to cover up your tracks. TSK TSK TSK! OH, if only you had responded to him logically and intelligently, allt hsi coudl fo been avoided. TAlkign to him like he talked to me
wouldn't chaneg hsi condenscending and malicious ways, and mistakenly doing what wnated to do to oen who does what you want to do only gets you into more trouble. Especially when doen to me. I'm a mirror to yuor soul. You post kindly to me, I psot kindly to you. You post evilly to me, I cut you down to size. MY original psot left this baord open to some serious discussing, debating, and edumacating. Too abd you and Wyvernie could only attack thsoe more superior to you. Instead of caryring on a polite, and freidnly converstaion like us nromal folk do. Ah me. "LAUQE ERA LLA OT!"
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 13 February 1999 at 08:48:25:

In Reply to: Re: From the depths of my fires posted by Jurassosaurus on 12 February 1999 at 14:43:34:

: Too abd you and Wyvernie could only attack thsoe more superior to you. Instead of caryring on a polite, and freidnly converstaion like us nromal folk do. Ah me. "LAUQE ERA LLA OT!"

: Actually Scratch, Mephistopheles and wyvern are all one and the same.

Add Sammael t the list to. That's 4 names. ANd he ruine dhis Devil wanna be-ing. OH well. Only proves hwo mcuh I proved him wrong. How immature do you ahve to be to retaliate agaisnt soemoen who cut you but good by pretending to be another, then hiding from toehrs by constantly changign your name. IT was cute int eh Peanuts cartoon when Rerun met that girl who couldn't decide on a name. This is just stoopid.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 15 February 1999 at 07:58:48:

In Reply to: Boy, you sure got me good... posted by Azazel on 14 February 1999 at 21:47:10:

: : : Too abd you and Wyvernie could only attack thsoe more superior to you. Instead of caryring on a polite, and freidnly converstaion like us nromal folk do. Ah me. "LAUQE ERA LLA OT!"

: : : Actually Scratch, Mephistopheles and wyvern are all one and the same.

: : Add Sammael t the list to. That's 4 names. ANd he ruine dhis Devil wanna be-ing. OH well. Only proves hwo mcuh I proved him wrong. How immature do you ahve to be to retaliate agaisnt soemoen who cut you but good by pretending to be another, then hiding from toehrs by constantly changign your name. IT was cute int eh Peanuts cartoon when Rerun met that girl who couldn't decide on a name. This is just stoopid.

: Actually, did it ever occur to you that there may be more than one person who uses this computer?

Rihgt. 400 people each take turns pretending to be one guy. Right. Can you say reality check? sure you can't.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:55:25:

In Reply to: Re: Damn, my color choice sucks. Try this one, I wouldn't want you guys to strain here. posted by The Imp on 11 February 1999 at 01:21:23:


: : wyvern, wasn't aiming the question at you Grem., it was to the man(?) writing the post... as in what motivated him to write this? I know you caught that though and are just playing devil's advocate. Well I hope you caught that anyway.
As to man I don't know. If by chronology, then Yes. Otehr factors clearly say no.

: : This one could come back and bite me in the ass, but why stoop to their level by spouting off illogical nonsense, as did Mr. Utahraptor?
No Mr. Just Utahraptor
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:51:41:

In Reply to: Re: Huh... posted by Flower on 11 February 1999 at 01:39:52:


: : Whoever is without sin may cast the first flame. BTW, nice typing =)

: I don't think that someone who is questioning the plausability of the stories in the Bible should quote from it, do you? BTW, do you read all of the posts? Some of them I just give up on because it's not worth my time to go through and put letters and words into the correct order before reading it. However, if you're going to be in the habit of correcting everyone's typos from now on, that'll be great! You've got quite an undertaking ahead of you. =)

Well, we've all seen my psots : ) And we've all seen a psot that was spell checked. So, quite an undertaking indeed.

: : It's very simple. The Earth is round. The Earth revolves round the sun. Gods and other faeries are mythical mental crutches. Magic Wands. Pychological security blankets for a species just bright enough to notice how utterly irrelevant to reality it truly is. Congratulations, Homo sapiens sapiens: you've managed to find a more explicit manner by which to prove your stupidity than even the lemmings have yet discovered.

: How did this person prove stupidity? Because of the name that was used? So, does that mean that you actually believe that there are Magwai running around out there? Maybe the Imp thinks that there are really demons. No, then that would infer some truth in the Bible. Thank God I didn't choose a name like Devi or something like that!

Actually, much like the Mogwai's, ther is a cretaure that will die if exposed to sunlight. And he cna eb scared to detaht oo. Boviosuly what Gizmo and company were based off of.
 
Posted by Utahratpor on 14 February 1999 at 08:14:14:

In Reply to: uuhhh posted by Shnibit on 13 February 1999 at 04:59:44:

: what the hell are you talking about?
DUH! Read the psot. DUH!

: perhaps some organization is in order.

What kind?

maybe if you spent as much time caring about how you type as you care about what you type, others might spend more time caring and/or believing in whatever it is you are trying to say.

Or maybe I need to invent a spell chekcer thata ctaully works. I eman, if this is what a spell chekcer gives back, what's the poitn of spellc ehkcing anyhting? Spellc ehckers. Another product brought to yuo by poorly reverse engineering alien technology.

my suggestion to you is to go to the closest busy corner, turn yourself a trick,

The corner I get, but huh?

then take that shiny new nickle

What shiny new nickel?

and go to wal-mart. it is my understanding that prices are falling

Not that much

and you could use that nickle
What nickel? When did anybody give me a nickel? OK, who's holdign onto my money?

to get that clue you so desperatly need.

You forgot to give me your address. How can I send you the clue and the bill for yuor clue you sod epsartely need ot udnertand my post you're rpelying to thta you didn't understand, and the clue you need to grok thta Walmarts ain't that cheap. HMm, that's 10 cents really, plus tax. Oh wait, 15 cents,s icne another clue is needed for you to grok that if you cna't understand my pso,t you cna't assume I actually need a clue. Rememeber, when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME. And abandone all hope, ye who makes an ass out of me.


if that is not the issue

And it's not. Maybe a digest perhaps?


than my second suggestion would be get a QWERTY key board.

Oh, like the one I alreayd have? Why, I already ahev it. Hmm. Now that's another clue. 20 cents.

BTW, if nobody else who has rudely posted (or the few polite askers) cna help me find a way to type clearer, what ameks you think you'll eb any different. LEast fo all by now, leats of all afetr reaidng hwo it was the msot coherent ost eyt, and how I used a spell checker. Hmm. 10 mroe cents. 30 cents. HEy, we'll ahve a rela Walmarts price in no tiem. Don't forget, they're having a sale on clues on Wed. Better send me your addy quick.


I can't wait to see if anybody thinks that they can dish out karma and reply abck to em comcially. Remember kiddies, Karama can only be portioned out by the cosmos. Can you say cosmos? I knew that you could. ; )

Today's humor has been brought to you by the poster: Utahraptor Please send all gratuity checks to GOTCHA!
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:13:51:

In Reply to: Authoral intent posted by Gremlin on 11 February 1999 at 07:38:43:

: : I was hoping you that you would see a different perspective on this whole thing, glad you did a little. Wyvern might have made an attack out of his post, but at the same time Utahraptor's post doesn't have a "I'm not writing this to offend anyone'' tone to it. Quite the oppisite. I think that is what sent wyvern off, claiming one thing and writing something else. Well that and the whole logical arguement thing. I really didn't see much point to Utahraptor's post, other than to get some attention (positive or negative). He accomplished his goal. Now it could be that I am mistaken as to what the goal of the original post was, but if that's the case, is it my fault for reading into it wrong or is it the fault of the writer for not expressing his motive clearly? I mean, come on, if that post wasn't meant to be inflamatory there is a real problem with the style Utahraptor used.

: I got the impression that his post was combative, too. I figured it was because the majority of the posters [as opposed to lurkers] here are either atheists or passively religious people. Ironically, I'd always got the impression that Utahraptor believes in the Hebrew god, since he always capitalises the word 'god' as if it weren't a variable for 'YHWH'.

Actually, I believe in the Hebrew/Christian/Cathholic(Ok, I'm wondeirng if they branched off to their own god) God, but not as all knowing and all powerful. And I do tend to quetsion msot religious "facts." I mena, what kind of God sits htere beggign poepelto woship Hima s the one true God, gets a group fo people to dos o (the Jews), then repays them with 5000+ years of oppression? I mena, He frees us from slaveyr in Egypt, and make sus walk a desert for 40 years, feeding us food right off the ground. And this is the loving God folks. And this is hihgly logical. I mena, God cna jolly well decide to test faith fro 40 years and make us walk. Fine. BUt what's logicla about 2 of eveyr cretaure fititng on an itty bitty boat? Plus, nobody ever thinsk abotu food,a nd waste. I'm retty sure elephant poop is pretty big. 2 of them will make two big pile sof shit. Even if under 6 inches. Now, tiems this by every animal, divide by sizes,a dn you'lls ee it adds mroe weight, and takes up more room. And this story accoutns for peopl in the world (whichw as what was known nowadays as the known world. Having never seen the Americas, how were thye to knwo t veen existed? S o thsi flood to wipe out humanity was for the Eastern Hemisphere only, making it hard to figure out hwot he Wet half was spared.) That's the point. We're to believ all these scientificlaly impossible thigns, nd nobody quetsions it. When we do, you get eediots jumping down your throatcasue you won't believe what they believe, least of all blindly.
: : Anyway, to answer the question directly, the evidence would suggest that it was merely a dream, since the event 'foretold' in the dream never happened on schedule, in 1994.

: : Evidence would suggest, but what do you believe? That was my question, Gremlin. I asked it in an attempt to show that sometimes proof against an idea/belief doesn't make you not believe it. (the little fix on you typing was done as an ''I told you so'', I'll admit. I also admit it's petty, but hey I make 10 times those mistakes everytime I type a paper, post, or message)

: That's entirely different. You asked what I could prove.

: The potential for oneironautics exists, I think. Homosapiens, on average, use eight percent of their brains, leaving ninety-two percent for...stuff. What that stuff is, and how it might be used, is anyone's guess. Personally, I'd think that oneironautics are possible. They would account for deja vu, and other unexplainable phenomena. But there's no proof of it.

: Moreover, since I can see where this is going, there's a difference in believing that oneironautics are possible, and believing that anyone's ever accomplished it. Some random twit telling me that he's some sort of dreamsurfer isn't going to convince me that he is, or even that he believes that he is. By the same token, someone claiming to be a vampyre isn't going to convince me of much. Realistically, I'd expect an accomplished oneironaut to keep his abilities a secret--even lie about them--for a number of reasons. So anyone claiming to be an oneironaut would probably impress me as a pychopath--a paranoid schizophrenic, a pathological liar, or just some weird guy trying to see if I'll laugh at him.

: About the typo: I noticed that as it posted. It happens. I'm just tired of all the posts to Utahraptor telling him to learn to type or spell or whatever; it's an old gag. So he can't type, or can but doesn't bother, or something. Who cares. Over ninety percent of Americans are now functionally illiterate; a guy who can read but isn't retentive about his typing skills doesn't concern me much.

: --Gremlin
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 12 February 1999 at 08:30:49:

In Reply to: I already answered that. posted by Gremlin on 12 February 1999 at 03:32:10:

: It didn't happen; there's nothing to prove.

: --Gremlin

So if you dream soemhtign ahppens, and it does, but not exactlyas you dreamt it 9Most main poitns coem true), do you consider that being psychic, albeit slightly?
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:04:58:

In Reply to: Re: I knew the Gremlin I am friends with was there...Somewhat.. posted by The Imp on 11 February 1999 at 07:19:28:

: I was hoping you that you would see a different perspective on this whole thing, glad you did a little. Wyvern might have made an attack out of his post, but at the same time Utahraptor's post doesn't have a "I'm not writing this to offend anyone'' tone to it. Quite the oppisite. I think that is what sent wyvern off, claiming one thing and writing something else. Well that and the whole logical arguement thing. I really didn't see much point to Utahraptor's post, other than to get some attention (positive or negative). He accomplished his goal. Now it could be that I am mistaken as to what the goal of the original post was, but if that's the case, is it my fault for reading into it wrong or is it the fault of the writer for not expressing his motive clearly? I mean, come on, if that post wasn't meant to be inflamatory there is a real problem with the style Utahraptor used.

Hey, you can't get any clearer than saying you're not trying to offend anyone.
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 12 February 1999 at 08:29:25:

In Reply to: Re: Try this one for comparison posted by The Imp on 12 February 1999 at 00:58:40:

: If I were to say, "Utahraptor, I don't want to offend you, but I think that your belief in aliens is just the stupidest thing I've ever heard.", you would probably take offense. You might even ask me who in the hell I think I am to make such a claim....
: Your post disclaims an attempt to give offense, yet that is all that little rant was to Christians...

: Now, just so we are perfectly clear here, I don't think you are a total idiot and I do believe in life on another planet. There's an idea here you keep missing. Basically saying you are not going to do something then turning around and doing what you claim you aren't going to do gets a negative response.

OH, so you think I'm a bit of an idiot then? Anywya, the post was to question beliefs to psoe soem answers. I got some. Soem mroe believable than others. NOW, even though they weren't corretc answers, they were very good atempts. And Is alute the effort.
Besides, I also offended Jews as well, of which I am one. How amny would liek to hear me compalint hat God frreed us form slaveyr, only to amke us schlept across a hot burnign desert for 40 eyars while feeding us off on the sandy ground itself. ON PAssover, we sing a song calle Dianuh (sp?) It means thta woudl have bene enough. That God did more than HE really ahd to to help us. Me? I say He should have done it all and more. I'ma lso against the whole thing, cause in it's truest form,t he Sedar recreates the conditions of suffering ym ancestors went through. To hep su give thanks for our freedom. Me? I don't wnat none fo thta. MAing em suffe ronly make sme want to forget. I'm gald we'r efree, I thank God fro that, and I ahppen to like horseradish ins mall doeses,a nd that's to remid us how bitter slavry was (See my conflict.)
Hell, I even offend God Himself, as He says we msut never take joy in the Egyptians' suffering during the 10 palgues. BUt I take greta joy int heir misiers for plague 1-9. ThAt ANgel Of Death bit went TOO far!
So, before peopel get upset that Iw rote soemhtign against ther ebeliefs, they should rememebr I atatcked soem fo mien as well. ANd believe me, it's easier to compalin about what I did casue they're more wlel known. Do yuo even knwo why 10 palgeus were sent to Egypt? Especially before seeing Prince Of Egypt, if you did?
 
Posted by Utahraptor on 11 February 1999 at 09:02:47:

In Reply to: Some scientist, probably... posted by Gremlin on 11 February 1999 at 06:46:37:

: Gremlin seems to me that Utahraptor asked for some abuse after posting that nonsensical, yet supposedly logical, arguement that positively, somehow, didn't quite, disprove a damn thing.

: Maybe. I never said his post made sense; in fact I replied with a few points he was off about. But I didn't realy mind that he posted it, since this is an open forum. I didn't actually mind that wyvern posted his response, for the same reason. I just didn't see much point to it, other than to accuse Utahraptor of being an idiot. And, um, he didn't exactly prove it =)

: Not really. A lot of what he had to say was incorrect or superfluous to the argument. And some of what he said made sense [once I'd decyphered his typos]. Which reminds me: everyone is capable of hitting the wrong key, or using the wrong homonym--especially on the 'net; in wyvern's case, I got the impression that most of his rebuttal had to do with Utahraptor's typing skills. The corrections were to prove a bit of a point. It got proved, I guess.

And this is after being spelled checked mind you.
 
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