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**Who's Gonna Win?**

More voters trust Obama to deal with the economy, and he currently has a big edge as the candidate who is more in tune with the economic problems Americans now face. He also has a double-digit advantage on handling the current problems on Wall Street, and as a result, there has been a rise in his overall support. The poll found that, among likely voters, Obama now leads McCain by 52 percent to 43 percent. Two weeks ago, in the days immediately following the Republican National Convention, the race was essentially even, with McCain at 49 percent and Obama at 47 percent.
 
I think that CU has a valid historical point. However, I think this is a completely different election than what has gone on in the past. Therefore, this will see new results.

The control group of white males running for office has run it's course. It's time for a new subject to be studied: Minorities and Women running for office.
 
Conchaga said:
I think that CU has a valid historical point. However, I think this is a completely different election than what has gone on in the past. Therefore, this will see new results.
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That may very well happen, yes. I'm claiming that statistically, McCain has a better chance because he's desecended from the original English settlers.

As I've pointed out before, there certainly have been elections in the past where the English-descent candidate didn't win. Let me expand on this...

Martin Van Buren: of Dutch descent. However, he had incredible, real world factors on his side. One, he had previously served in the Senate, as Secretary of State, and as Vice-President under Jackson. Two, he had Jackson pushing for him... that was a big help. Three, the opposing Whig party fractured itself by running several regional candidates because they thought they would have a better chance if the election got shunted to the House of Reps. Surprise, it didn't work. Those three factors got the first non-English President elected.

Dwight Eisenhower: of German descent. Major war hero. Though he had never held a political office before, he was in tight with the Republican party. Twenty years of Democratic administration had brought two wars, and people were sick of it, so they elected a Republican for a change. The stars aligned for Ike.

John F. Kennedy: of Irish descent. War hero too, but not on Ike's scale. Ran against Ike's VP, ol' Dick Nixon. Nixon was as charismatic as a piece of white bread. Ike campaigned for Nixon toward the end and actually hurt his chances for election with some off-handed remarks that suggested Ike didn't think Nixon was up for the job. Kennedy also overcame opposition due to his religious faith. Regardless, Kennedy won the popular vote by 0.02% of the popular vote, and he needed Johnson's pull in the South to get that much.

I can make an argument for the two Roosevelts, but the jury is still out on them, AFAIC. Maybe some other time.

So, let's go to McCain and Obama.

McCain: despite having Scots and Irish ancestors, his ancestry is predominately English. Plus, he looks it, and that counts. War record in his favor, so long as the press doesn't look too closely at it. Experience in the Senate. plus the religious right are favorable to him and Palin. Other conservative groups are favorable to him as well. The GOP also has the habit of banding together in lockstep on important issues. Conservative supporters tend to have large bankrolls.

Obama: half-black. Of Kenyan and Irish descent. Ugly. Hasn't served a complete term in the Senate yet. Backed by a party that has a tendency lately to dash itself against the rocks, and only united behind him because Hillary asked them to do so. Liberal and middle of the road supporters tend to be fruitloops who make jackasses out of themselves in public. Michael Moore is a good example. The only factor Obama has going for him is that so many people are sick of Republican games and want a change. Many blacks are wary of voting for him. Generally, hispanics don't like blacks, so not much joy there either. Lowhanded insults against Palin coming from Democrats are beginning to piss women off. Racial factors: a lot of people say they'd vote for a black, but what counts is when the vote is cast, and latent racism is still rampant in the US. Then there's the Islam taint on Obama.

So, I'm really not impressed that minorities are running for the top office now. I can't see it as a positive factor for Obama.

The control group of white males running for office has run it's course.
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Not as long as they hold the money and political strings in DC.

It's time for a new subject to be studied: Minorities and Women running for office.
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Women, maybe. Blacks and hispanics in national politics are tokens and will be for a long time to come.
 
I would vote for Condi Rice for President or as a VP
but not Palin.

Palin is a token female tossed up there to get the vote of the religious fanatics and the vote of women who want to see a woman in that office.

Condi is experienced, she knows intimately everthing that has been going on for the last 8 years. She probably has many ideas about how to do things better if she were the one calling the shots. She has Obama, Palin, McCain, Biden and Hilary combined beat hands down. Plus, she has stones.
 
eloisel said:
I would vote for Condi Rice for President or as a VP
but not Palin.

Palin is a token female tossed up there to get the vote of the religious fanatics and the vote of women who want to see a woman in that office.

Condi is experienced, she knows intimately everthing that has been going on for the last 8 years. She probably has many ideas about how to do things better if she were the one calling the shots. She has Obama, Palin, McCain, Biden and Hilary combined beat hands down. Plus, she has stones.
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Yeah, but having two black women under one roof --especially the White House roof-- will shatter more atoms than the LHC.
 
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Well, considering how things have been going the last couple of years with the Democrats the majority in the House and the Senate, I don't see a Democrat as President being much of an improvement. Another Republican President with an increasingly hostile and beligerant House and Senate will be even worse than the current situation.
 
CoyoteUgly said:
I can make an argument for the two Roosevelts, but the jury is still out on them, AFAIC. Maybe some other time.
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I'd like to see your assessment on the Roosevelts, actually.
 
Gonad said:
Still could go either way.
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I think it's a done deal, unless the voting areas are really rigged.

You know, the last two elections were rigged, and the Rove Plan is for a Permanent Republican Majority, but I don't think they can get away with it this time.
 
As of today, I think Obama will win. But I'm not going to vote in this poll until Nov. 3, just in case the game changes. McCain has beaten worse odds than this.
 
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