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Can anyone save the Democratic Party?

Poverty is at an all time high in the US.

Care to back up your statement with some credible statistics ?


Inflation is at an all time high.

No, it's not an all time high, and even if it was, that doesn't tell much. Unless you add data about investment growth (including public investment), consumption, what you said means jack shit.

Unemployment is at an all time high.

No.

Out sourcing is at an all time high.

Outsourcing is neither a good or bad thing per se, you have to put it into context. Again, a load of bullshit that can mean anything.


Oil prices are at an all time high.

Due to exogenous factors.

Food cost are at an all time high.

Due to exogenous factors.

Taxes are at an all time high.

Were you not just bitching about inflation being at an "all time high" ? Taxes the most effective way to fight inflation by containing the monetary mass that induced the inflation.

Our reputation in the international community is so low even our allies are telling us to fuck off.

Hah ! Your allies ? Who ? Berlusconi ? Sarko ? Ehud Olmert ? Abdullah Bin Abd el Aziz ? Ha ! Haha ! Hahahaha ! Hahahahahahah ! Ahahahahahahahahha ! Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah ! Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahhahahah ! HAH ! HAHA ! HA !
 
This is America - not Africa-America.

I heard black people on a news radio talk show the other morning threatening to riot if Obama doesn't win. Considering how black people have behaved in the recent past, I have no doubt they would do that. Still, I will not be bullied into having Obama as President. He is of the baby-killing mindset, incites rioters and he is non-American.

I am trying to convince myself that you're poking fun at TheSaint or some shit.
 
How does this fight inflation? Taxes don't take inflated money out of circulation. Please elaborate.

Taxation and the raising interest rates go hand in hand when absorbing an inflation. The recession caused by latter being offset by the public investments generated from the former. Plus, taxes encourage saving and discourage consumption (albeit only on short term). Raising interest rates without taxing would be obsolete since you would be replacing a problem by another.
 
Excuse me? What the fuck does that have to do with anything?

You were colonized by my country among others in Europe. The motherland of England.
You have a very brief history in the Americas. You are not in a position to say that people from Africa who have settled in America are not American. Don't worry, we will tell you when you can lay claim to true nationality roots. Ultimately you've had some bad experiences with black people and it has made you into a racist. That's unfortunate. Once racism ensues then logical discourse is out of the window. I happen to know you're not stupid so you can't get away with really believing that all black people are the same so that leaves racism which is pretty stupid in of itself really.

Dearest, you've missed it completely. As pointed out, Americans are a wide variety of nationalities and ethnicities. My mother's people were English and French immigrants, my father's people were Irish and Armenian immigrants. My daughter's father is Cherokee and English. Both of my parents, my daughter and I were all born in America. We are Americans.

If Obama had been born in Africa and moved to America and become a citizen, then, yes, he would be African-American. However, he was born in America. He is an American, not an African-American. I don't think this country will be ready for a black president until black people born in America are Americans and not African-Americans.

White people are pretty good at killing and injuring people themselves by the way. We're fucking great at it as it happens. Blanket statements on the ground of race are really weak.

In general that is true. However, I think people who have witnessed the race riots in this country will have to agree that it is a big possibility.

Abortion? Really? I suppose you are for Capital Punishment though?
No, actually I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty. Every time I think I can agree with it, yet another person has been found to not have been guilty of the capital punishment crime they are on death row for. However, I've told you of the story of the young man my daughter went to school with - he killed his father, his sister, his wife, two of his wife's children from a previous marriage, and the babies he had with his sister he sold to sexual deviants in Mexico. I knew that kid, his father was my mechanic, my daughter babysat the sister he killed. I would not want him out in the general public again - I would rather he be terminated. He is too terrifying as having known that kid, that family, I would never have suspected he was capable of all that.

Abortion and capital punishment are not the same thing, though. The unborn child is not a criminal, is not at fault for its being. Punishment by abortion is deliberately punishing the wrong person. I've heard people justify murdering their unborn child because they know if they have custody of that child they will harm the child. That is like saying, "You know what, in 6 months that guy over there is going to irritate the shit out of me. I think we'd better flush his veins out with a saline solution, crush his bones and suck his brains out of his head right now." Try suggesting that type of treatment for a prisoner on death row because they ax murdered some old couple in their bed to steal a few bucks to buy drugs with and see what happens. I'm not saying there are not legitimate reasons for abortion; however, I am against using abortion as birth control.
 
This is just to let you know that is an incredibly low blow discounting a person from being an American citizen because their parent was a military person stationed on an American controlled military base in another country. That is lower than I thought any of you capable. You should apologise for being asswipes.
 
I'm also familiar with this very kind of rhetoric spouted by fearlful, ignorant white Americans as an excuse to thwart the advancement of minorities on their own merit. Can't keep 'em in the cotton fields no more, so we better circle the wagons!


I have no fear of another fuel crisis, as long as dinosaurs who still spout this will one day turn into fossil fuel. ;)

Eggs, you will die someday too. Nice to know you are still the kind that the only opinion allowed agrees with yours.
 
The Republic, according to official birth certificates. They had to quick pass a freaking law to avoid an embarrassment in the general election.
 
Give me a break, it's a complete house of cards. If you don't think Obama's the only deal we have left, then go vote your conscience.

But you know, we're on the verge. They've looted the treasury, subverted the Bill of Rights, and screwed it all up.
 
The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

McCain's likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.

Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.

"There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent," said Sarah Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. "It is not a slam-dunk situation."

McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.

But given mounting interest, the campaign recently asked Theodore Olson, a former solicitor general now advising McCain, to prepare a detailed legal analysis. "I don't have much doubt about it," said Olson, who added, though, that he still needed to finish his research.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of McCain's closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.

"He was posted there on orders from the United States government," Graham said of McCain's father. "If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can't be president if they take an overseas assignment."

The phrase "natural born" was in early drafts of the Constitution. Scholars say notes of the Constitutional Convention give away little of the intent of the framers. Its origin may be traced to a letter from John Jay to George Washington, with Jay suggesting that to prevent foreigners from becoming commander in chief, the Constitution needed to "declare expressly" that only a natural-born citizen could be president.

Duggin and others who have explored the arcane subject in depth say legal argument and basic fairness may indeed be on the side of McCain, a longtime member of Congress from Arizona. But multiple experts and scholarly reviews say the issue has never been definitively resolved by either Congress or the Supreme Court.

It may be a "technicality" but the truth is, he cannot run without the law that was passed :D
 
Many other stories all telling the tale. I'm glad you still love me. I love you too. :D
 
Where is the law that was passed and when?

And, yes, there has been precedent - Barry Goldwater was born in the Arizona Territory before it was part of the US. Both of his parents were American citizens.
 
Give me a break, it's a complete house of cards. If you don't think Obama's the only deal we have left, then go vote your conscience.

But you know, we're on the verge. They've looted the treasury, subverted the Bill of Rights, and screwed it all up.

I think this is the saddest bunch of candidates we've ever had since I've been old enough to vote - and that has been awhile. I think the whole country should refuse to vote and not elect any of them. Let George's terms expire and we just be without a president for awhile. Maybe outsource the position to India - turn it into a call center job.
 
I think this is the saddest bunch of candidates we've ever had since I've been old enough to vote - and that has been awhile. I think the whole country should refuse to vote and not elect any of them. Let George's terms expire and we just be without a president for awhile. Maybe outsource the position to India - turn it into a call center job.
That sticks a pin in exactly how Bush has ruined the republic: the Constitution was designed to withstand bad Presidents and remain intact. But Bush wasn't satisfied with just being a bad President. He had to bend, smear and tear away at the Constitution until it was as bad as he was.

We survived Hoover. We survived Nixon. We survived Carter. We survived Bush I. But we are really going to have to go back to school to remember how to be America again, no matter who wins this November.
 
And we take no responsibility at all for how things are.

It was all Bush.

Thank God he'll be gone soon. Everything will be much better then.
 
I take responsibility for how I voted, and what organizations I supported, and what petitions I signed. And how I argue in situations such as this. ;)

Not sure what else people who aren't in high levels of government can take responsibility for...there is a small list of people who can certainly be enumerated when we ask ourselves "who came up with the bright idea to..." etc etc.
 
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