missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
I'm soooo glad that no Republican has ever had an abortion or been glad it was legal so his 16 year old daughter could get out of her embarassing little mess.
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Can anyone save the Democratic Party?
- Thread starter Big Dick McGee
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I'm soooo glad that no Republican has ever had an abortion or been glad it was legal so his 16 year old daughter could get out of her embarassing little mess.
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Big Dick McGee
If you don't know, now ya know
How has Bush subverted the Constitution? I'd really like to know, as I haven't seen any evidence of this.
missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
that would be the 4th and 5th Amendments
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July 17, 2007, Bush signed an executive order that contained these words...
Sec. 4. For those persons whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order who might have a constitutional presence in the United States, I find that, because of the ability to transfer funds or other assets instantaneously, prior notice to such persons of measures to be taken pursuant to this order would render these measures ineffectual. I therefore determine that, for these measures to be effective in addressing the national emergency declared in this order, there need be no prior notice of a listing or determination made pursuant to section 1 of this order.
The 4th Amendment says
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
And in this section we see that the US government has the right to snag someones property without due process if the government determines that in some way a person is undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq. ( Could this also include speaking out against the US involvement in Iraq? Maybe.... the language on that is pretty vague.)
Section 1. (a) Except to the extent provided in section 203(b)(1), (3), and (4) of IEEPA (50 U.S.C. 1702(b)(1), (3), and (4)), or in regulations, orders, directives, or licenses that may be issued pursuant to this order, and notwithstanding any contract entered into or any license or permit granted prior to the date of this order, all property and interests in property of the following persons, that are in the United States, that hereafter come within the United States, or that are or hereafter come within the possession or control of United States persons, are blocked and may not be transferred, paid, exported, withdrawn, or otherwise dealt in: any person determined by the Secretary of the Treasury, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Secretary of Defense,
(i) to have committed, or to pose a significant risk of committing, an act or acts of violence that have the purpose or effect of:
(A) threatening the peace or stability of Iraq or the Government of Iraq; or
(B) undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq or to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people;
(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or
(iii) to be owned or controlled by, or to have acted or purported to act for or on behalf of, directly or indirectly, any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order.
(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person.
And the 5th Amendment states
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
"nor be deprived of property without due process" see that part?
The constitution isnt like the Bible with as many translations and interpretations as there are sects and cults and denominations. We can all read it the way it was written. It was written that way to protect us from our government. Those are our rights guaranteed by law. Or they were. Bush stole them and we'll never get them back.
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eloisel
Forever Empress E
I'm soooo glad that no Republican has ever had an abortion or been glad it was legal so his 16 year old daughter could get out of her embarassing little mess.
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Written like a true Democrat. The baby is an embarassing little mess. Kill it.
missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
But you didn't address my statement. Can you state that it's fact that No Republican has ever had an abortion or allowed his 16 year old daughter to have one?
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Marquis De Sade
I came for the spankings
If it's a black baby, why not ? At least he won't grow up to be a killer of white men and rapist of white women.
missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
Or a Chinese baby, most Republicans love helping to finance those 10 million abortions yearly.
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eloisel
Forever Empress E
But you didn't address my statement. Can you state that it's fact that No Republican has ever had an abortion or allowed his 16 year old daughter to have one?
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I can't state that. There are many states where 16 year olds do not need parental permission to have an abortion nor do they even need to notify either of their parents that they intend to have an abortion. It is also not uncommon for Republicans to agree with therapeutic abortions. However, elective murder of the unborn is not a Republican ideal like it is for a Democrat. If a professed Republican considers an innocent baby "an embarassing mess" then I suggest that person is truly a closet Democrat.
My first ex ran out on me when I was pregnant. I considered having an abortion then. I was young - 19, only a highschool education, no job, no money, raised to be a housewife. My life, and my daughters, was very hard sometimes because of my decision to not have an abortion. Sometimes I wished I had given her up for adoption - her life would have been better, mine easier. I never regretted not murdering her. Then again, to not kill is one of my core beliefs. For me to justify killing someone would take a whole lot more justification than they are "an embarassing mess." That Obama believes that unborn babies are "embarassing messes" makes him totally reprehensible to me and another reason he is not fit to lead this nation.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Or a Chinese baby, most Republicans love helping to finance those 10 million abortions yearly.
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Give your sources for such a statement.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
Patriot Act, idiot.
jack
The Legendary Troll King
Pardon me, but just what is a "therapeutic abortion"? Your republican definition of a "partial birth abortion" is pretty close. But a pregnancy alone does not a child make.
To suggest that pregnancy = automatic full term viable birth is specious. Also indefensible.
missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
missmanners
grrrrrrrr...
^ let me expand on that before you try to insult me again by calling me a Democrat.
My political leanings are Anarcho-Capitalist and I vote Libertarian. The federal Government should take care of the infastructure, protect the citizens and print currancy and everything else they need to keep their noses out of including who I sleep with, who I marry and what kind of medical procedures my state decides is legal.
Republicans praise Wal Mart as some kind of Capitalistic Miracle, but it isn't. One company, WM, imports more goods from China than most countires (it's somewhere between 5th and 8th on the list at any given time). 70 percent of the goods in every Wal Mart are made in China. China is not a capitalistic country, while it may give the impression of a type of Capitalism, the government keeps it's currancy artifically low (and one way they do it is by investing billions in US treasury notes) so that WM imports everything to keep selling the cheap stuff to US consumers. China has a "one child policy" and at least 10 million abortions are performed there a year (you can google all this for yourself, most of it is in official chinese publications or reports to Congress.... ). Because China has a Centralized economy, those US dollars flowing in are what provides government services, So every time you set foot in a Wal Mart you are helping to fund those abortions. (along with female infanticide, prison labor, persecution of Christians, and all kinds of evils). Even if you dont buy a single item thats made in China, you are still supporting the 5th-8th biggest contributor to 10 million abortions yearly.
The reason abortion is so rampant in the USA is because there is a demand for it. Thats a social problem that has its roots in the home. It needs to be addressed at the community level, not decided by 9 judges.
I was a throwaway child, had I been concieved a few years later, I wouldn't be here, so I have a personal stake in how I feel about abortion as well. And it took me 2 years to wean myself from my Wal Mart habit.
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My political leanings are Anarcho-Capitalist and I vote Libertarian. The federal Government should take care of the infastructure, protect the citizens and print currancy and everything else they need to keep their noses out of including who I sleep with, who I marry and what kind of medical procedures my state decides is legal.
Republicans praise Wal Mart as some kind of Capitalistic Miracle, but it isn't. One company, WM, imports more goods from China than most countires (it's somewhere between 5th and 8th on the list at any given time). 70 percent of the goods in every Wal Mart are made in China. China is not a capitalistic country, while it may give the impression of a type of Capitalism, the government keeps it's currancy artifically low (and one way they do it is by investing billions in US treasury notes) so that WM imports everything to keep selling the cheap stuff to US consumers. China has a "one child policy" and at least 10 million abortions are performed there a year (you can google all this for yourself, most of it is in official chinese publications or reports to Congress.... ). Because China has a Centralized economy, those US dollars flowing in are what provides government services, So every time you set foot in a Wal Mart you are helping to fund those abortions. (along with female infanticide, prison labor, persecution of Christians, and all kinds of evils). Even if you dont buy a single item thats made in China, you are still supporting the 5th-8th biggest contributor to 10 million abortions yearly.
The reason abortion is so rampant in the USA is because there is a demand for it. Thats a social problem that has its roots in the home. It needs to be addressed at the community level, not decided by 9 judges.
I was a throwaway child, had I been concieved a few years later, I wouldn't be here, so I have a personal stake in how I feel about abortion as well. And it took me 2 years to wean myself from my Wal Mart habit.
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Sarek
Vuhlkansu Wihs
I'm soooo glad that no Republican has ever had an abortion or been glad it was legal so his 16 year old daughter could get out of her embarassing little mess.
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The last 8 years have shown that the Republicans are good at spouting conservative values. It's just their adhesion to such high ideas that fall short.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
I have not forgotten you. I'm just on vacation. Out, looking at the world, doing stuff. Today we are going to Arbuckle Wilderness to look at the wildlife. Last time I was in this area, I stayed in a cabin near the wildlife park - could hear the lion roaring, deer wandering around out back, and geese flying overhead. It was also in January and everything was covered in sleet and some snow - not my kind of weather. It is going to be thunderstorming this evening so I've got to get out and explore before all that starts up.
I shop at Wal-Mart occasionally. After every visit, I go home, get online and file a complaint. Last time was because there was a sign at the entrance that was entirely in Spanish. The time before that was about the stupid layout of their shoe department. The time before that was about their nasty clothes that are apparently for Mexican prostitutes. One of their representatives called me about my latest complaint this past Thursday. He was very nice. I've still got his number on my cell phone. I'll call him back and discuss this crap with China stuff with him. I wonder if he has met John Kerry - huge proponent of selling out to the Chinese.
I shop at Wal-Mart occasionally. After every visit, I go home, get online and file a complaint. Last time was because there was a sign at the entrance that was entirely in Spanish. The time before that was about the stupid layout of their shoe department. The time before that was about their nasty clothes that are apparently for Mexican prostitutes. One of their representatives called me about my latest complaint this past Thursday. He was very nice. I've still got his number on my cell phone. I'll call him back and discuss this crap with China stuff with him. I wonder if he has met John Kerry - huge proponent of selling out to the Chinese.