I'm agreeing with liberals more and more lately

Hambil, maybe you shouldn't be so stubborn at times when conveying your beliefs. It forces you into a corner in which you have to defend them without being able to show an ounce of genuine inquisitiveness.

Like Laker Girl.
 
Hambil said:
I blame the jews!
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Personally, I think it's cute when he does that -- digs himself a little hole and only when he gets to the bottom does he discover that he hasn't packed the gear to haul his ass back out again.
 
The Question said:
Personally, I think it's cute when he does that -- digs himself a little hole and only when he gets to the bottom does he discover that he hasn't packed the gear to haul his ass back out again.
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It's those damn commie jews I tell you!
 
The Question said:
Personally, I think it's cute when he does that -- digs himself a little hole and only when he gets to the bottom does he discover that he hasn't packed the gear to haul his ass back out again.
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I don't. It's the very source of the antagonism. Like you stated, it's hard to tell when he's being serious or not. This could be one big troll, or it could be a failed attempt to drive home his point, which BTW Hambil, will never be understood and never be taken into consideration until both of you choose to have some meaningful dialogue.

Hambil said:
It's those damn commie jews I tell you!
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I don't think they are responsible for this particular mishap. Though they should still hang.
 
Messenger said:
a failed attempt to drive home his point, which BTW Hambil, will never be understood and never be taken into consideration until both of you choose to have some meaningful dialogue.
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You want my point? There is no jewish conspiracy. There is no communist conspiracy. There is a concerted effort by big business to influence our government, which is the closest thing to a conspiracy we have, but even that falls short of a true 'conspiracy' in my opinion because it lacks a long term goal.

Does saying big business wants to control our government make me a communist? Of course not. Does saying health care for everyone is a good idea make me a socialist? Of course not. The world is not a black and white place. It is a complex place that requires complex solutions.

So as long as TQ believes the jews run the world, and gassing them will solve all our problems, I will never take him seriously - other than to make sure he and his ilk don't gain any real power.
 
Messenger said:
Thank you! I can't stand how many of them whine about stereotypes and cultural preconceptions without even bothering to question their own.

Of course, he barked up the wrong tree when he blacklisted so many in the entertainment industry, those who hold total sway over the opinions and perceptions of the American public.
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Actually, if you go back and review the record, McCarthy himself had little to do with exposing the marxist filth that still infects the entertainment industry. That was the result of HUAC investigations undertaken by other members of the Committee. McCarthy himself concentrated on known communist vermin who had infiltrated the highest levels of our government and military - and as the venona encryptions have irrefutably proven, he was absolutely, 100% correct about every single traitorous scumbag commie fuck he named.

Every single one.

Of course, useful idiots like your comrade Hambil will continue to believe in the fable of "The Dark Night of McCarthyism" that had a "chilling effect" on freedom and caused everyone to "live in fear". He'll probably run over to DailyKos or the Nation to have his artificial worldview reaffirmed rather than research the actual historical record.
 
Gurk_MacGuintey said:
Actually, if you go back and review the record, McCarthy himself had little to do with exposing the marxist filth that still infects the entertainment industry. That was the result of HUAC investigations undertaken by other members of the Committee. McCarthy himself concentrated on known communist vermin who had infiltrated the highest levels of our government and military - and as the venona encryptions have irrefutably proven, he was absolutely, 100% correct about every single traitorous scumbag commie fuck he named.

Every single one.

Of course, useful idiots like your comrade Hambil will continue to believe in the fable of "The Dark Night of McCarthyism" that had a "chilling effect" on freedom and caused everyone to "live in fear". He'll probably run over to DailyKos or the Nation to have his artificial worldview reaffirmed rather than research the actual historical record.
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Hey, moron, it doesn't matter if they where communists or not. The point is they HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. What McCarthyism did was persecute people for their beliefs. Beliefs that are completely legal and constitutionally protected. You don't even know what McCarthyism was about, and you think I should look up the facts? Great, another one of "those" posters.
 
Hambil said:
There is a concerted effort by big business to influence our government, which is the closest thing to a conspiracy we have, but even that falls short of a true 'conspiracy' in my opinion because it lacks a long term goal.
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You have it exactly backwards. There is a concerted effort by Big Government to control everything. Who "regulates" business? Government.
 
Hambil said:
You want my point? There is no jewish conspiracy. There is no communist conspiracy. There is a concerted effort by big business to influence our government, which is the closest thing to a conspiracy we have, but even that falls short of a true 'conspiracy' in my opinion because it lacks a long term goal.
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The term conspiracy is very misguided and to be honest, used more often by the crazed fringe supporters of the idea, and its detractors.

Big business does indeed flood into every possible crack, but I would think this to be natural of a capitalist 'kill or be killed' mentality. It should be brought under control. Very few would disagree with this.

But is it so hard to accept the possibility that there are people such as Muslims and Jews who are working towards advancing their kin at the cost of others?




Does saying big business wants to control our government make me a communist? Of course not. Does saying health care for everyone is a good idea make me a socialist? Of course not. The world is not a black and white place. It is a complex place that requires complex solutions.
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Well said. However, I believe that simple problems and conflicts become entangled and in turn, create those complex problems. I don't think complex solutions are necessary. In fact, they usually cause more problems and are merely a band-aid.

Look at the American welfare system. The Japanese give the companies incentives to hire more workers, which in turn helps everyone. They don't hand someone a check and pat themselves on the back for 'trying,' or 'doing their best.'

I'm sure you're familiar with the term Spaghetti Code?

So as long as TQ believes the jews run the world, and gassing them will solve all our problems, I will never take him seriously - other than to make sure he and his ilk don't gain any real power.
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TQ has never stated anything of the sort. As for running the world? Well, I'll say that they have created a substantial umbrella for themselves at the cost of everyone in the first world. They don't run India or China. But they do run the countries which make it illegal to even discuss if 5,999,999 died or 6,000,000 , or whitewash the horrible crimes of the Jewish State.

But I've never seen him advocate or support that sort of violence. Maybe I need to bone up.
 
Hambil said:
So as long as TQ believes the jews run the world,
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Where did I say "Jews run the world"?

and gassing them will solve all our problems
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Okay, now that pisses me off. I have never, ever said anything about genocide against Jews being the solution to any of our problems. You either back that up or take that back.

I will never take him seriously - other than to make sure he and his ilk don't gain any real power.
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I didn't realize I had ilk. Would that be in the form of henchmen, minions or acolytes, perhaps? Lackeys, at least, can I get some lackeys?
 
Hambil said:
Hey, moron, it doesn't matter if they where communists or not. The point is they HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE. What McCarthyism did was persecute people for their beliefs. Beliefs that are completely legal and constitutionally protected. You don't even know what McCarthyism was about, and you think I should look up the facts? Great, another one of "those" posters.
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Stupid fuck. "McCarthyism" is a term coined by vile leftist scum and is purposely designed to be used as a bludgeon-word to stifle debate. Your leftist vermin brethren use this tactic quite frequently, and have invented or appropriated a whole host of words designed specifically for this purpose:

"Racist, Sexist, Bigot, Homophobe ..." Who throws such words around, gerbilboy, and for what purpose?

Also, it is a FACT that the people McCarthy named were PAID OPERATIVES of a foreign government engaged in espionage. They were traitors who committed treason.

If you weren't such a stupid little meatslapper I'd tell you to study up on Cultural Marxism, but you'd probably think it's a right wing fundie plot.
 
Gurk_MacGuintey said:
You have it exactly backwards. There is a concerted effort by Big Government to control everything. Who "regulates" business? Government.
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This isn't 100% accurate. Big business can lobby and put cash in the pocket of any Congressional or Senatorial candidate they think might advance their goals.

Also, it is a FACT that the people McCarthy named were PAID OPERATIVES of a foreign government engaged in espionage. They were traitors who committed treason.
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This is true.
 
Well, now Hambil's got me casting back in my memory trying to see if I ever have advocated genocide. Hmmm. Let's see... okay, once, in jest, I suggested that the solution to terrorism in the mideast would be to neutron bomb the whole region and shut them all up, Jews and Arabs alike.

Little problem with claiming that's advocating genocide against Jews -- it wasn't serious, they're not the only ones who live there, and that's not the only place in the world they live.

Oh, and I also support cutting off financial and military support and involvement to all the mideast countries. But that's not genocide, that's just good sense.
 
I don't think you, myself and MacGuinty are in disagreement about anything at the moment. Looks like it's the barn-rat's move now.
 
Messenger said:
Actually, Israel has many, many front companies in the United States, and has more than once attempted to circumvent security systems for information-gathering purposes.

I can't stand TKers who start bitching and whining that "oh, Bush is spying on me wah wah!" yet bring nothing up about Israeli and Chinese spying. Or perhaps they aren't as informed as they think (Not a potshot).
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The difference there, Messenger, is that they are supposed to want to spy on the more influential and important parts of this country. Hell, every country should keep an eye on other countries, keep them honest, tactically it's just good sense. However, the NSA has no business keeping tabs on phone calls made in this country. Phone calls made from consulates and embassies across this country? Why sure. But not Joe Average. Unless you think Joe average is fed up and might be thinking it's time for people to step up and put shit right? Guilty conscience maybe?
 
You missed my point, which was that TKers are drawn to criticism of Bush like he's a magnet but don't really often care to bring up very active foreign spying and foul play.
 
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