I'm agreeing with liberals more and more lately

[TJHairball]

Also, it is a FACT that the people McCarthy named were PAID OPERATIVES of a foreign government engaged in espionage. They were traitors who committed treason.

Some of the people named were operatives? Sure. His accuracy is undoubtably severely exaggerated by Coulter and other nutjobs who think he was a great hero, but he did get some of his wild accusations right.

However, McCarthyism - the historically well identified Red Scare of the 1950s - had many casualties we now know beyond any doubt were not operatives (Case in point: Oppenheimer), and the entire movement was not to merely "root out" active operatives, but to destroy an entire political wing based on belief.

Thanks to McCarthyism, simply being Communist was the next best thing to illegal, made you unhirable, etc etc. Even having anything resembling a Communist or socialistic affiliation had dire consequences; occasionally even simply being associated with someone with leanings could lose you your position. The blacklists remain infamous to this day.

To say nothing of the man's methodology. He ran a circus, not an investigation.

 

[TJHairball]

Ficto-historical?

Perhaps I should have said "mythological," or "of recent invention."

The Scandanavians aren't exactly the same thing as the groupings that were referred to as "Aryan" earlier, and in the "mythological" usage, comes attached to a rather strange version of linguistic history involving a "conquering race" ...

However, the term is widely used in the sense of "Nordic" rather than the classic senses (e.g., Vedic Aryans) in spite of the relatively loose relationship.

 

[Tyrant]

I agree.

 

[Rafterman]

Who's my party, Hambil?

If I had a party, it would be the one to levy massive fines against any business which knowingly (or unknowingly, what a joke) hires, transports or houses illegal labor, fines reinforced by business termination and assets seizure in cases of non-compliance. It would terminate the "Metricula card" bullshit forthwith, deny all government benefits to illegal aliens, and which would recall all military personnel from the middle east with the exception of those necessary to provide security for U.S. embassies.

Then it would provide 90 days for all illegal aliens in the country to either get legal or get out. During that 90 days, the military personnel recalled from tours in the middle east would be on an on-call leave to spend with their families, spend looking for private sector work, or however they choose as long as they remain reachable.

At the end of that 90 days, regular unit rotations would resume, and military personnel would be deployed to the border to enforce security there, which is what our military is supposed to be for.

Yes, that does involve a wall -- obviously, yes, people who want to will still find a way around it -- but with little or nothing here for them here if they cross illegally, fewer will try. The few who do try would have to be some suicidal motherfuckers, because no longer will our border security retreat from armed incursions. They would be weapons-free, and Mexico would be so informed, and not nicely.

Sounds like a plan.:devious:

 

[Rafterman]

Well, of course. Only evil racist devils like us would defend working Americans. We should be punished. By tall, busty Aryan women in black leather lingerie.

Where do I sign up?:bwahaha:

 

[Anna]

...most liberals that I've spoken with about this oppose the proposed amnesty for illegals. Sure there are some liberals that would like an open border, just as there are some conservatives that would like an open border. However, most liberals and conservatives that I have spoken with about the issue seem to agree with me that the invasion of our country by illegal aliens must be stopped.

I agree, but like Hambil said, a wall won't solve much of anything. The ones who are encoraging illegals to stay here are the businesses who'd rather chump the Mexicans off because they know they can pay them far less than minimun wage and have to keep their mouths shut to stay here. Those are the biggest contributors to the immigration problem.

Yes, immigrants (both legal and illegal) do a lot for our economy, blah blah blah, but unless you take the time and effort to become a citizen, I don't think they're entitled to a damn thing in our country.

 

[The Question]

Aryan as in Hindu, Iranian, or the ficto-historical Nordic Aryan?

Or are you wanting all three, you greedy pig?

Aishwarya Rai would be good. And what's "ficto-historical"? Is that like "based on a true story"-ish? lol

 

[Gurk_MacGuintey]

Some of the people named were operatives? Sure. His accuracy is undoubtably severely exaggerated by Coulter and other nutjobs who think he was a great hero, but he did get some of his wild accusations right.

However, McCarthyism - the historically well identified Red Scare of the 1950s - had many casualties we now know beyond any doubt were not operatives (Case in point: Oppenheimer), and the entire movement was not to merely "root out" active operatives, but to destroy an entire political wing based on belief.

Thanks to McCarthyism, simply being Communist was the next best thing to illegal, made you unhirable, etc etc. Even having anything resembling a Communist or socialistic affiliation had dire consequences; occasionally even simply being associated with someone with leanings could lose you your position. The blacklists remain infamous to this day.

To say nothing of the man's methodology. He ran a circus, not an investigation.

"However, McCarthyism - the historically well identified Red Scare of the 1950s - "

... is "ficto-historical". An "evil episode" constructed by marxist apologists in academia to provide cover for other marxist scum - marxist scum STILL active to this day in academe, entertainment and government,

ALL who adhere to collectivist ideologies (communism, socialism, fascism) should be lined up against a wall and summarily executed in my opinion.

Are you a socialist, hairynutbag?

I hate vermin leftist fucks.

 

[TJHairball]

"However, McCarthyism - the historically well identified Red Scare of the 1950s - "

... is "ficto-historical".

Not in the slightest.

The atmosphere in the United States was (and remains through this day) hostile to anyone subscribing to socialist philosophies. In the 50s, it reached a fevered paranoid pitch.

Then lots of people started using drugs in the 60s - as much to unwind from the Cold War as anything else, IMO - and things like the Civil Rights movement started to occupy the attention of fervent reactionaries.

An "evil episode" constructed by marxist apologists in academia to provide cover for other marxist scum - marxist scum STILL active to this day in academe, entertainment and government,

Nice comeback. I suppose now you'll pretend that the father of the atomic bomb never lost his security clearance for the crime of being a wealthy and successful liberal? Or that the famous "blacklists" never existed, and Dalton Trumbo was never barred - quite under the table - from being employed by Hollywood? That anti-communist oaths or loyalty oaths did not frequently show up, with firings to follow any refusal?

ALL who adhere to collectivist ideologies (communism, socialism, fascism) should be lined up against a wall and summarily executed in my opinion.

And so you admit yourself to being a modern McCarthyist. Having an ideology opposed to your own is a criminal offense of the worst order.

Have you no decency?

 

[Gurk_MacGuintey]

Not in the slightest.

The atmosphere in the United States was (and remains through this day) hostile to anyone subscribing to socialist philosophies. In the 50s, it reached a fevered paranoid pitch.

This is because leftist ideology is utterly antithetical to the ideals upon which this nation was founded. Leftists are traitors to the ideal of individual liberty. Leftists are vermin and scum in that order.

Then lots of people started using drugs in the 60s - as much to unwind from the Cold War as anything else, IMO - and things like the Civil Rights movement started to occupy the attention of fervent reactionaries.

Yes .. the late 50's and 60's was a time when the the neo-marxists of the Frankfurt school really began to make inroads through academia in the popular culture. See the 'work" the the filthy homosexual communist, Herbert Marcuse, who is personally responsible for stool-pushing the disgusting hate-America concept of "multiculturalism" down society's throat. He created "coalitions" based upon marxian ideology of leftist radical students, ugly feminist womyn, negros and homosexual perverts and thus created out of whole cloth the 'Group Identity' politics that plague our country to this day.

You see, the marxist imperative to "deconstruct" western society has always remained paramount for you leftist vermin, and the best way to destroy individual liberty (the ideal upon which this nation was founded) is to ascribe "rights" to "groups" based upon group affiliation. You ratfucks have been quite successful at it.

Nice comeback. I suppose now you'll pretend that the father of the atomic bomb never lost his security clearance for the crime of being a wealthy and successful liberal? Or that the famous "blacklists" never existed, and Dalton Trumbo was never barred - quite under the table - from being employed by Hollywood?

I could give a fuck about an old jew commie like Oppenheimer, and Trumbo should have been executed for treason and his corpse deported to Moscow so his ghost could suck his hero Uncle Joe Stalin's balls.

That anti-communist oaths or loyalty oaths did not frequently show up, with firings to follow any refusal?And so you admit yourself to being a modern McCarthyist. Having an ideology opposed to your own is a criminal offense of the worst order.

Have you no decency?

I consider those who ascribe to an ideology with a stated and naked goal of destroying (deconstructing) my civilization, culture and nation to be enemies engaged in open warfare against all that I believe in. You leftist vermin are even more insidious and evil than the muslim scum. At least the jihadis make no bones about wanting to destroy my country and killing me - you leftist vermin pretend you're not out to "sweep away the pillars of bouorgeois capitalist society".

Recognize that phrase, hairbag?

 

[The Question]

^^I like this guy, he makes me look good by comparison.

 

[Gurk_MacGuintey]

^^I like this guy, he makes me look good by comparison.

Define "good"?

 

[Caitriona]

^^I like this guy, he makes me look good by comparison.

LOL... well he might get you off the "10 Most Wanted" TK list.

 

[Gurk_MacGuintey]

LOL... well he might get you off the "10 Most Wanted" TK list.

Ahhhh ... so people who hate communist filth are on a "wanted list", eh?

Do you people have orgasms at the thought of Hitlery as President?

.... oh wait, I already know you're a "West Wing" fan, so you must have had the six-cell, chrome-plated two-speed vibratin' dildo working overtime for "Commander and Chief", huh?

 

[Hambil]

Ahhhh ... so people who hate communist filth are on a "wanted list", eh?

No, just people who think any opinion other than there own is communist filth. And being a pompus windbag ass doesn't help either.

 

[Tyrant]

ALL who adhere to collectivist ideologies (communism, socialism, fascism) should be lined up against a wall and summarily executed in my opinion.

You've listed a few extremist ideologies, and I can understand how extremism can be a huge turnoff when it tramples over people who have done nothing wrong.

But what is wrong with collectivism? And I don't mean 100%, take your wheat, bullet in the back of your skull collectivism.

Don't you like social services?

 

[The Question]

No, just people who think any opinion other than there own is communist filth.

It's very important to differentiate between Communist filth and Socialist filth. Hambil's filth, though, is of the Marxist variety. He's probably forgotten that he's defended Marx's pure lunacy on more than one occasion.

Fortunately, Hambil's filth is easy to dispose of, since nesting straw is actually remarkably absorbent.

And being a pompus windbag ass doesn't help either.

You're just upset that we pompous windbag asses are smarter than you are.

 

[Hambil]

You're just upset that we pompous windbag asses are smarter than you are.

Yeah, that must be it.

 

[TJHairball]

This is because leftist ideology is utterly antithetical to the ideals upon which this nation was founded.

Try "corporate ideology is antithetical to the ideals upon which this nation was founded."

Facism is merely the natural extension of the corporation into state. Just ask Mussolini, the father of facism.

Leftists are traitors to the ideal of individual liberty.

Leftists prize individual liberty highly. Particularly the anarcho-communist variety. Few anarchists prize individual liberty more than an anarcho-communist.

Is not property nothing less than the oppression of individual liberties?

Leftists are vermin and scum in that order.

We know you hate the left, dearie.

Yes .. the late 50's and 60's was a time when the the neo-marxists of the Frankfurt school really began to make inroads through academia in the popular culture. See the 'work" the the filthy homosexual communist, Herbert Marcuse, who is personally responsible for stool-pushing the disgusting hate-America concept of "multiculturalism" down society's throat. He created "coalitions" based upon marxian ideology of leftist radical students, ugly feminist womyn, negros and homosexual perverts and thus created out of whole cloth the 'Group Identity' politics that plague our country to this day.

Aww, you hate gay people, women, and black people too.

Hate, hate, hate, Gurk.

You see, the marxist imperative to "deconstruct" western society has always remained paramount for you leftist vermin, and the best way to destroy individual liberty (the ideal upon which this nation was founded) is to ascribe "rights" to "groups" based upon group affiliation. You ratfucks have been quite successful at it.

Ascribing rights to groups of people?

Gurk, you're not talking about the civil rights movement. That was saying people had the same rights regardless of which group they were in. When you talk about granting rights to groups of people, you're talking about the legal recognition and treatment of corporations.

That, darling Benito, is granting rights to groups.

I could give a fuck about an old jew commie like Oppenheimer,

Oh?

I guess you'd prefer that the Soviet Socialist Republic of Japan had been propping up the economy of the USSR, so we'd still be in the Cold War... with the USA desperately scrambling to keep up.

Oooh. Here's an idea. How about all the Jewish physicists went to the UK and then half to Israel when it was formed? The US would be in the position France was at the fall of the Soviet Union - distant nuclear power #4.

and Trumbo should have been executed for treason and his corpse deported to Moscow so his ghost could suck his hero Uncle Joe Stalin's balls.

Treason?

Aww, you just love summary executions.

I consider those who ascribe to an ideology with a stated and naked goal of destroying (deconstructing)

If you think destruction and deconstruction are actually synonyms, I should buy you a dictionary.

my civilization, culture and nation to be enemies engaged in open warfare against all that I believe in. You leftist vermin are even more insidious and evil than the muslim scum.

Gurk... who don't you hate?

At least the jihadis make no bones about wanting to destroy my country and killing me - you leftist vermin pretend you're not out to "sweep away the pillars of bouorgeois capitalist society".

Sweeping away the pillars of capitalistic commerciallism isn't the same thing as killing you and destroying your country.

Although, incidentally, I have come to believe that the nation is outmoded, but that's really unrelated to my views on economics. It's more of a problem of construction, voluntary seperability, and responsiveness - structural problems representing limits on the effectiveness, stability, and security of the democratic process.

 

[The Question]

^^Told'ja he makes me look good. :sarek: