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Israel tearing Gaza apart

Are we sure Israel killed them? We all know Pali's in that area will "martyr" their own and then say Israel did it.

Anyways a question.....

At what point is Israel justified to use force? Seems to me that throughout the whole cease-fire that just expired that Hama's was still sending rockets into Israel.
 
IDF started its ground offensive about one hour ago. 4 Israeli dead soldiers so far.

So far it's only a few vehicles (10-15 from what I've read).


I really don't see the point. They only reason you want to go in small is to not offend the native population and turn them against you. BUT THIS IS FREAKIN GAZA. They freakin' hate you no matter what you do. With that in mind, best to go in in force secure your objectives, take good defensive possitions, find/blow the caches and then get the fuck out. If you see anyone wearing black, kill them.
 
Israel is saying that regime change in Gaza isn't their goal. They just want to squeeze Hamas enough to agree to a ceasefire.


A shame. At this point I think the IDF should wipe out Hamas as much as possible and then Egypt should just take control of Gaza until Fatah gets its shit straight and can move back in. Hamas has demonstrated that no, at least this terrorist organization can't change it's stripes and can't govern Gaza.
 
Sounds like the mistake George HW Bush made during Desert Storm. If the leadership is not taken out, they will only build back up.

It's starting to look more likely that this is muscle flexing before Israeli elections in order to prevent Likud from getting a foot in the door.
 
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Them Jews sure know how to make warfare look beautiful.
 
Israel just bombed 3 schools sheltering peasants, killing about 150 of them.

If only they were effective at killing riflemen as much as they are in killing peons, perhaps they would not have had a brown dildo stuck up their Jewish asses back in July 2006, in the war against Hezbollah.
 
Hamas stealing aid supplies to sell to residents


Grim picture of Gazans' lives painted by reports emerging from Strip, claiming gunmen hiding in civilian homes, using residents as human shields, and hijacking trucks of humanitarian aid Roee Nahmias Published: 01.06.09, 22:32

A government or a gang?


As the Israeli operation in Gaza wears on it appears Hamas has relinquished any visage of a socio-political party, abandoning its claim to govern the residents of Gaza in favor of engaging in open war at their expense.


number of reports from the Strip paint a picture of very difficult humanitarian conditions, not least because of Hamas itself. The suspicion is that the group's operatives have seized control of any supplies passing through the crossings – including those sent by Israel and international organizations.


Reports say Hamas takes a cut out of all aid that arrives, including flour and medicine. Supplies intended to be distributed without gain among the population is seized by the group and sold to the residents, at a profit to the Hamas government.


One such incident was recorded Monday, when a convoy of trucks carrying supplies through the Kerem Shalom crossing was opened fire upon and seized by Hamas gunmen. Similar incidents occurred with trucks carrying fuel.

In other cases, civilians are simply used as cannon fodder or human shields. Reports out of Gaza say residents who attempted to flee their homes in the northern area of the Strip were forced to go back at gunpoint, by Hamas men.


The organization is presumably interested in increasing civilian casualties in order to give rise to international pressure against Israel. Arab media reported that in an IDF strike on a UN school 30 civilians were killed, but there is no legitimate way to prove gunmen were among those killed as Hamas tends to bury these bodies quickly, thus eliminating evidence in Israel's favor.


Other civilian complaints state that Hamas gunmen pull children along with them "by the ears" from place to place, fearing that if they don't have a child with them they will be fair game to the IDF. Others hide in civilian homes and stairwells, UNRWA ambulances, and mosques.


In other reported cases Hamas gunmen hold civilians hostage in alleyways in order to provide themselves with a living barricade to ward off IDF forces. Reports somewhat more difficult to verify say the group's men shot Fatah operatives in the feet to make sure the latter would not attempt a coup.


No one to turn to


These reports lead to the assumption that Hamas is attempting to exacerbate the atmosphere of a humanitarian crisis in the Strip, as this may promote an international ceasefire initiative. In any case the reports clearly show that the residents of Gaza have fallen prey to Hamas as well as the IDF.


Reports of alarming shortages are also forthcoming, as residents appear to lack water, flour, electricity, and any sign of a capable government. Chaos reigns as no one appears to know when electricity will be available, how to obtain water or food, or whom to address in order to evacuate the injured.


The "emergency numbers" given to residents have ceased to function, and citizens in need of assistance have only international organizations, the Red Crescent, and the hospitals themselves to turn to.


The Hamas leaders, aside from two addresses, have not been heard from. Their speeches were broadcast a number of times, but in any case many in the Strip can no longer access televisions, radios, or internet without electricity.


Despite this, no authoritative anti-Hamas sentiments have been heard from the Gazans. However Palestinian sources claim that grievances against the group are voiced in secret. The animosity towards Israel has not disappeared, say the sources, but it is now accompanied by bitterness towards the organization many are dubbing Iranian in its extremism.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...651783,00.html
 
Ever notice you don't hear shit about Hamas rocket attacks... until they're an IDF excuse?

"Uh, yes, we had to bomb the shit out of them. They were launching rockets at us."

Fuckin' when?!

Bloodthirsty fuckers just got bored, is all.
 
Seems like 1 is ;)


US officers deployed along Egypt-Rafah border

London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reports that American Engineering Corps' officers have been stationed at Egypt's border with Strip in order to unearth smugglers' tunnels in area

Roee Nahmias
Published: 01.07.09, 12:14 / Israel News

US Engineering Corps officers have arrived in southern Gaza Strip town of Rafah to monitor the Egypt-Gaza border and unearth underground tunnels in the area, the London-based Arabic-language newspaper al-Quds al-Arabi reported Wednesday.


According to the report, the US Military deployed troops to the area several weeks ago, at Israel's request, in light of its statements that Egypt is doing nothing to curb weapons smuggling into Gaza through the Rafah border.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak, added al-Quds al-Arabi, has protested the breached border in conversations with Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, and has also presented him with images taken at the border, showing Egyptian officers assisting smugglers.


Operation Cast Lead has seen IAF forces pummel dozens of tunnels along the Philadelphi Route.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3652097,00.html
 
The US already has peace keepers in the Sinai as part of MFO.

Hopefully this Egyptian proposal will move the MFO AO to Gaza. Whatever force goes will need some teeth to insure Hamas or Islamic Jihad don't go right back at it. I wouldn't be surprised if Israel required US involvement.


I'd like to see a similar thing happen in the Golan. UNDOF could be rebadged and used to make sure Syria keeps the Golan Demilitirazed after a handover. Considering that Syrian and Israel seem to be getting closer to a 'secret deal' I wouldn't at all be surprised if that is what happens.
 
Fucking Palestinians. They are like vermin. The Israeli Prime Minister should get the Nobel Peace Prize if he wipes them out.
 
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