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Palin under investigation for ethics violations, could be impeached as governor
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Alyssum
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Never said stupid. I actually said I thought of you as lucid and intelligent hence my surprise at the level of ignorance you were embracing. Crazy in a rhetorical sense, as in strung out from the rhetoric.
You're entitled to your opinion and it doesn't change the way I feel about you. I'm just surprised by how steeped in rhetoric (as opposed to facts) it all is.
You're entitled to your opinion and it doesn't change the way I feel about you. I'm just surprised by how steeped in rhetoric (as opposed to facts) it all is.
Alyssum
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"Those same people will demand I be put to death if I am ever unfortunate to be on a life support device and unable to speak for myself."
HIPAA says your responsibility is to create a legal document (which is cheap and easy) so that event never happens. Lets just puncture that argument there, ok? It's your responsibility to speak up for yourself, not someone elses.
Gee, sounds like the core of my argument, doesn't it?
HIPAA says your responsibility is to create a legal document (which is cheap and easy) so that event never happens. Lets just puncture that argument there, ok? It's your responsibility to speak up for yourself, not someone elses.
Gee, sounds like the core of my argument, doesn't it?
Condoms do not magically stop one from getting pregnant, eloisel. Drasticlaly cut risk, yes but are not foolproof.
If the Republicans cared as much about the children that had already been born I may have a little more sympathy.
As for Palin..
Seems like the usual fucknut neo-con. BORED NOW.
If the Republicans cared as much about the children that had already been born I may have a little more sympathy.
As for Palin..
Seems like the usual fucknut neo-con. BORED NOW.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
*sigh*
Yes, dear, you are enlightened, intelligent, rhetoric free, and an all around superior being. Here is my piece of paper begging you to please not kill me in the event I am on life support and unable to speak for myself. Thank you so very much, you benevolent being who has the right to make the decisions for who lives and who dies. I wish to thank my mother for allowing me to be born.
Yes, dear, you are enlightened, intelligent, rhetoric free, and an all around superior being. Here is my piece of paper begging you to please not kill me in the event I am on life support and unable to speak for myself. Thank you so very much, you benevolent being who has the right to make the decisions for who lives and who dies. I wish to thank my mother for allowing me to be born.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Yes - I am well aware that condoms are not fool proof. However, I doubt that the 100s of thousands of abortions performed in this country are because of a faulty condom.
What makes you think Republicans don't care about the childern that have already been born?
Alyssum
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Fifty percent of U.S. women obtaining abortions are younger than 25: Women aged 20–24 obtain 33% of all abortions, and teenagers obtain 17%.[7]
• Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races.**
• Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.[3]
• Women who have never married obtain two-thirds of all abortions.[3]
• About 60% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.[7]
• The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women). This is partly because the rate of unintended pregnancies among poor women (below 100% of poverty) is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty* (112 vs. 29 per 1,000 women[3,1]
• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[8]
• Thirty-seven percent of abortions occur to black women, 34% to non-Hispanic white women, 22% to Hispanic women and 8% to women of other races.**
• Forty-three percent of women obtaining abortions identify themselves as Protestant, and 27% as Catholic.[3]
• Women who have never married obtain two-thirds of all abortions.[3]
• About 60% of abortions are obtained by women who have one or more children.[7]
• The abortion rate among women living below the federal poverty level ($9,570 for a single woman with no children) is more than four times that of women above 300% of the poverty level (44 vs. 10 abortions per 1,000 women). This is partly because the rate of unintended pregnancies among poor women (below 100% of poverty) is nearly four times that of women above 200% of poverty* (112 vs. 29 per 1,000 women[3,1]
• The reasons women give for having an abortion underscore their understanding of the responsibilities of parenthood and family life. Three-fourths of women cite concern for or responsibility to other individuals; three-fourths say they cannot afford a child; three-fourths say that having a baby would interfere with work, school or the ability to care for dependents; and half say they do not want to be a single parent or are having problems with their husband or partner.[8]
Beat me to it.
Alyssum
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Fifty-four percent of women who have abortions had used a contraceptive method (usually the condom or the pill) during the month they became pregnant. Among those women, 76% of pill users and 49% of condom users report having used their method inconsistently, while 13% of pill users and 14% of condom users report correct use.[9]
• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[9]
• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[9]
• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[1,10]
• Forty-six percent of women who have abortions had not used a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant. Of these women, 33% had perceived themselves to be at low risk for pregnancy, 32% had had concerns about contraceptive methods, 26% had had unexpected sex and 1% had been forced to have sex.[9]
• Eight percent of women who have abortions have never used a method of birth control; nonuse is greatest among those who are young, poor, black, Hispanic or less educated.[9]
• About half of unintended pregnancies occur among the 11% of women who are at risk for unintended pregnancy but are not using contraceptives. Most of these women have practiced contraception in the past.[1,10]
Alyssum
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• The number of U.S. abortion providers declined by 2% between 2000 and 2005 (from 1,819 to 1,787). Eighty-seven percent of all U.S. counties lacked an abortion provider in 2005; 35% of women live in those counties.[2]
• Forty percent of providers offer very early abortions (even before the first missed period) and 96% offer abortion at eight weeks from the last menstrual period. Sixty-seven percent of providers offer at least some second-trimester abortion services (13 weeks or later), and 20% offer abortion after 20 weeks. Only 8% of all abortion providers offer abortions at 24 weeks.[2]
• The proportion of providers offering abortion at four or fewer weeks’ gestation increased from 7% in 1993 to 40% in 2005.[11]
• In 2005, the cost of a nonhospital abortion with local anesthesia at 10 weeks’ gestation ranged from $90 to $1,800; the average amount paid was $413.[2]
• Forty percent of providers offer very early abortions (even before the first missed period) and 96% offer abortion at eight weeks from the last menstrual period. Sixty-seven percent of providers offer at least some second-trimester abortion services (13 weeks or later), and 20% offer abortion after 20 weeks. Only 8% of all abortion providers offer abortions at 24 weeks.[2]
• The proportion of providers offering abortion at four or fewer weeks’ gestation increased from 7% in 1993 to 40% in 2005.[11]
• In 2005, the cost of a nonhospital abortion with local anesthesia at 10 weeks’ gestation ranged from $90 to $1,800; the average amount paid was $413.[2]
Alyssum
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• The risk of abortion complications is minimal: Fewer than 0.3% of abortion patients experience a complication that requires hospitalization.[12]
• Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of such problems as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or birth defect, and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries.[13]
• Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and British governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.[13]
• In repeated studies since the early 1980s, leading experts have concluded that abortion does not pose a hazard to women’s mental health.[14]
• The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 or more weeks.[15]
• Fifty-eight percent of abortion patients say they would have liked to have had their abortion earlier. Nearly 60% of women who experienced a delay in obtaining an abortion cite the time it took to make arrangements and raise money.[16]
• Teens are more likely than older women to delay having an abortion until after 15 weeks of pregnancy, when the medical risks associated with abortion are significantly higher.[17 ]
• Abortions performed in the first trimester pose virtually no long-term risk of such problems as infertility, ectopic pregnancy, spontaneous abortion (miscarriage) or birth defect, and little or no risk of preterm or low-birth-weight deliveries.[13]
• Exhaustive reviews by panels convened by the U.S. and British governments have concluded that there is no association between abortion and breast cancer. There is also no indication that abortion is a risk factor for other cancers.[13]
• In repeated studies since the early 1980s, leading experts have concluded that abortion does not pose a hazard to women’s mental health.[14]
• The risk of death associated with abortion increases with the length of pregnancy, from one death for every one million abortions at or before eight weeks to one per 29,000 at 16–20 weeks—and one per 11,000 at 21 or more weeks.[15]
• Fifty-eight percent of abortion patients say they would have liked to have had their abortion earlier. Nearly 60% of women who experienced a delay in obtaining an abortion cite the time it took to make arrangements and raise money.[16]
• Teens are more likely than older women to delay having an abortion until after 15 weeks of pregnancy, when the medical risks associated with abortion are significantly higher.[17 ]
Alyssum
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• In the 1973 Roe v. Wade decision, the Supreme Court ruled that women, in consultation with their physician, have a constitutionally protected right to have an abortion in the early stages of pregnancy—that is, before viability—free from government interference.
• In 1992, the Court reaffirmed the right to abortion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. However, the ruling significantly weakened the legal protections previously afforded women and physicians by giving states the right to enact restrictions that do not create an “undue burden” for women seeking abortion.
• Thirty-five states currently enforce parental consent or notification laws for minors seeking an abortion. The Supreme Court ruled that minors must have an alternative to parental involvement, such as the ability to seek a court order authorizing the procedure.[18]
• Even without specific parental involvement laws, six in 10 minors who have an abortion report that at least one parent knew about it.[19]
• Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman’s life would be endangered by a full-term pregnancy or in cases of rape or incest.
• Seventeen states use public funds to pay for abortions for some poor women, but only four do so voluntarily; the rest do so under a court order.[20] About 13% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds[21] (virtually all from state governments).[22]
• Family planning clinics funded under Title X of the federal Public Health Service Act have helped women prevent 20 million unintended pregnancies during the last 20 years. An estimated nine million of these pregnancies would have ended in abortion.[23]
• In 1992, the Court reaffirmed the right to abortion in Planned Parenthood v. Casey. However, the ruling significantly weakened the legal protections previously afforded women and physicians by giving states the right to enact restrictions that do not create an “undue burden” for women seeking abortion.
• Thirty-five states currently enforce parental consent or notification laws for minors seeking an abortion. The Supreme Court ruled that minors must have an alternative to parental involvement, such as the ability to seek a court order authorizing the procedure.[18]
• Even without specific parental involvement laws, six in 10 minors who have an abortion report that at least one parent knew about it.[19]
• Congress has barred the use of federal Medicaid funds to pay for abortions, except when the woman’s life would be endangered by a full-term pregnancy or in cases of rape or incest.
• Seventeen states use public funds to pay for abortions for some poor women, but only four do so voluntarily; the rest do so under a court order.[20] About 13% of all abortions in the United States are paid for with public funds[21] (virtually all from state governments).[22]
• Family planning clinics funded under Title X of the federal Public Health Service Act have helped women prevent 20 million unintended pregnancies during the last 20 years. An estimated nine million of these pregnancies would have ended in abortion.[23]
eloisel
Forever Empress E
Don't call me Wheezie when you are being an ass.
You are comparing practicing birth control to avoid becoming pregnant to using abortion as a means of birth control.
And, so far as "No Child Left Behind" that is bi-partisan authored legislation. If it is a failure, then it is a bi-partisan failure.
Did you actually analyze the data you threw up? Do you think it backs your position that women only have abortions because of a medical emergency or because of rape or incest? If you do, then you need to look at your data again.
eloisel
Forever Empress E
You stuff it.
While most women who have an abortion may not be "democratic baby killers," compare the Democratic to the Republican platform regarding abortion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm
Democrats might think it sounds better "the right to choose" - and it does sound better and more noble and all that - but no matter how it sounds it still offers abortion as a method of birth control with no protection of the life of the unborn.
For the record, I think life begins when a woman first knows she is pregnant. I would say at conception but pregnancies can naturally end within a short time after conception and the woman never knows she was even pregnant. And, no, that does not mean operate on an "abort but do not tell" basis.
Your data does not support your argument that most women have abortions for medical reasons or to abort pregnancies caused by rape or incest.
I do find it interesting that your data shows that the majority of women aborting their babies are poor, young, black or hispanic. If that data were presented as supportive of a Republican pro-abortion stance, Republicans would be branded racist with ulterior motives to eradicate or at the very least control the population of the poor, black and hispanic.
While I have not been able to find a clip or responsible quotation site, I did hear Obama call unwanted pregnancies "an embarrassing little mistake" - I am not reporting hearsay. So Obama has polished his speech on the subject, his true thoughts on the subject still show through. In the clip I linked to above, he referred to an unwanted pregnancy as "punishment" for sexual behavior mistakes. People make mistakes all the time and there are consequences for one's actions, and sometimes the results of one's actions are not what was expected. However, it is a known fact that unprotected sex between males and females can lead to pregnancy. Killing the unwanted baby is punishing the wrong person for the mistakes made.
Alyssum said:
Alyssum said:
Alyssum said:
Alyssum said:
While most women who have an abortion may not be "democratic baby killers," compare the Democratic to the Republican platform regarding abortion.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm
Democrats might think it sounds better "the right to choose" - and it does sound better and more noble and all that - but no matter how it sounds it still offers abortion as a method of birth control with no protection of the life of the unborn.
For the record, I think life begins when a woman first knows she is pregnant. I would say at conception but pregnancies can naturally end within a short time after conception and the woman never knows she was even pregnant. And, no, that does not mean operate on an "abort but do not tell" basis.
Your data does not support your argument that most women have abortions for medical reasons or to abort pregnancies caused by rape or incest.
I do find it interesting that your data shows that the majority of women aborting their babies are poor, young, black or hispanic. If that data were presented as supportive of a Republican pro-abortion stance, Republicans would be branded racist with ulterior motives to eradicate or at the very least control the population of the poor, black and hispanic.
While I have not been able to find a clip or responsible quotation site, I did hear Obama call unwanted pregnancies "an embarrassing little mistake" - I am not reporting hearsay. So Obama has polished his speech on the subject, his true thoughts on the subject still show through. In the clip I linked to above, he referred to an unwanted pregnancy as "punishment" for sexual behavior mistakes. People make mistakes all the time and there are consequences for one's actions, and sometimes the results of one's actions are not what was expected. However, it is a known fact that unprotected sex between males and females can lead to pregnancy. Killing the unwanted baby is punishing the wrong person for the mistakes made.