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Palin under investigation for ethics violations, could be impeached as governor

eloisel said:
Call it what you will but you said I was stupid and crazy because my feelings about abortion are different than yours. The odd thing is, we basically agree. You claim you believe that women only make the choice to kill their unborn for medical emergencies or some other type of tragedy. I wish that were true. And mabye from your personal experience you believe all women are that way. But, women can be nasty creatures, just like men.

After 35 plus years of this argument, though, I know that them that will kill will kill no matter what I think or say. I know that they will fight me to my death to keep their right to kill their unborn. Those same people will cry that it is wrong to put to death people who were allowed to be born who killed other people who were allowed to be born. Those same people will demand I be put to death if I am ever unfortunate to be on a life support device and unable to speak for myself.

Sadly, people have throughout the history of mankind murdered their children for various reasons. While people are better now at murdering children before they are born, people certainly haven't evolved one little bit in respect for the right to life for others.
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Pro-Choice:

Suction Curettage method makes up about 80% of all abortions. It is used during the first through the third month of pregnancy. The procedure takes about fifteen minutes. First, the cervix is dilated using dilator rods. Then, a powerful suction tube is inserted through the cervix into the womb. This is used to suck the developing baby and placenta into a jar. The head, however, is too large to be sucked out and must instead be crushed and then extracted.

Dilation and Evacuation (D&E) method is used during the fourth through the eighth month of pregnancy. The cervix is dilated using laminaria (seaweed) and dilator rods. Forceps are inserted and used to twist and tear the body parts to remove them in pieces. The skull and spine are then crushed and extracted. A curette, a scooped shaped surgical instrument, is used to scrape out what remains in the uterus. The body parts of the baby must then be reassembled to verify that all the parts have been removed.

Dilation and Extraction (D&X) method is more commonly known as the partial birth abortion. This procedure is used from the fifth month through the ninth month of pregnancy. In this procedure, laminaria is also inserted to dilate the cervix. The baby’s legs are pulled into the birth canal with forceps. The baby’s body is then delivered except for the head. This is so that the baby is still technically not yet born. Scissors are then inserted into the back of the head and a high powered suction tube removes the baby’s brain collapsing the baby’s head. The dead baby and placenta are finally delivered and discarded. Many states, including Arkansas have passed laws banning this type of abortion. However, the constitutionality of these laws has been successfully challenged in the Federal Courts and ruled unconstitutional.

Salt Poisoning/ Saline method is used during the fourth through the seventh month. A long needle is inserted into the mother’s abdomen and a strong salt solution is injected directly into the amniotic fluid surrounding the baby. The salt is swallowed or "breathed" which will slowly poison the baby and severely burn the baby’s skin. The mother will go into labor within 24 hours and deliver a dead, shriveled baby. Some babies have survived the "salting out" and are born alive but with severe complications.

Prostaglandin/ Chemical method is used during the fourth through the eighth month. Prostaglandin, a hormone-like compound made by the Upjohn Company, is applied to the uterine muscles, causing intense contractions, expelling the baby. Harmful side effects and live births are common.

Digoxin Induction method is used during the fifth through the eighth month. The cervix is dilated as in the D&E procedure. Ultrasound imaging is used to guide a syringe filled with digoxin, a heart moderating drug, into the heart of the baby, stopping the heart from beating. Prostaglandin is then used to induce labor delivering a dead baby.

Hysterectomy/ Cesarean Section method is used during the sixth through the eighth month. An incision is made through the abdomen into the womb. The baby is killed by strangulation or other means while still inside the womb.

This is why your god sucks. You claim your great god gave you free will to be "pro-choice" and then these are the choices he/she gives you.
 
Sarek said:
As a conservative, you push to pass laws based on your beliefs that remove peoples freedom of choice.
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Interesting. Yet you don't see the current situation as your kind forcing your beliefs on me and my freedom of choice, even my freedom of speech?

Do you even read what I write or do you just justapose your rhetoric over my posts?

http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1537758&postcount=12
http://www.trollkingdom.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1539015&postcount=50
 
Of course I read your posts but they don't change the basic argument. Which, simply put, is my choice doesn't LIMIT your choice. You still have the ability to do or not do what you believe is right for you. But you have no right to force your choice on others when it takes away free will.

And god also gave us the ability to devise neat ways to kill each other. We do it all the time when we go to war or execute criminals. Now let me guess, it was my god that did that. You conservatives just like to embrace a good thing when you see it.

Make your god exempt from that argument.
 
Sarek said:
Of course I read your posts but they don't change the basic argument. Which, simply put, is my choice doesn't LIMIT your choice. You still have the ability to do or not do what you believe is right for you. But you have no right to force your choice on others when it takes away free will.
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No - the basic argument is whether abortion is murder and whether women who have abortions do so for reasons other than as a method of birth control. You want to make it about "pro-choice" and "free will" - but those are catch phrases that only apply when justifying abortion for any reason. What you mean by "pro-choice" is to choose to have an abortion and "free will" means without going to jail for murder.

Saw stupid Cybil Shepherd on TV - "No one has asked the question - did she [Bristol Palin] have the choice to have an abortion?" Cybil didn't ask - "did she have the choice to give her baby up for adoption?" Or, "did she choose to allow her child to be born?" No. Just "did she have the choice of abortion?"

Furthermore, as far as what is widely known at this point, Bristol Palin is not in danger of losing her life by carrying her baby to term. It even appears she is from a financially well off family, she is not black or some other ethnic minority, she was not raped or the baby the result of incest. Plus, she was raised in a family that values life - even when it isn't convenient - as a core belief. Why would it be surprising she wouldn't want an abortion? Shouldn't that be a part of "pro-choice?"

And god also gave us the ability to devise neat ways to kill each other. We do it all the time when we go to war or execute criminals. Now let me guess, it was my god that did that. You conservatives just like to embrace a good thing when you see it.

Make your god exempt from that argument.
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It is still your god. I haven't brought my god into this argument. My god doesn't care what you or anyone else does.
 
Alyssum said:
It also turns out the Taser incident is one of those things that the nephew BEGGED Wooten to do to him. Fucked up as it was (and wrong) it's being painted in a different way than the actual event that took place.
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I'm pretty nonpartisan, but I tend to be OK with firing police officials who tase their 10-year-old stepchildren.

"The 10-year-old dared me to do it!"
 
That isn't what happened either. I wasn't there, so I don't know what happened, but 20 calls about it plus the constant harassment by her office about it plus the fact that the guy was her sisters ex plus her raving "god" rhetoric = not fit for public office.

Let's get the evangelical Christians back in the pulpit and out of government, k?
 
I've decided after re=reading this thread that I'm voting (and organizing) for Obama. Only because the alternative sucks worse that death.

If we're going to have same old same old, I want it to at least be in my favor, and not Big Oil and Big Business.

Personally, I'm sick of being "broke", I don't know about you, but 160,000 people lost their fucking jobs last month. That may sit well with some, but not me.
 
eloisel said:
No - the basic argument is whether abortion is murder and whether women who have abortions do so for reasons other than as a method of birth control. You want to make it about "pro-choice" and "free will" - but those are catch phrases that only apply when justifying abortion for any reason. What you mean by "pro-choice" is to choose to have an abortion and "free will" means without going to jail for murder.

Saw stupid Cybil Shepherd on TV - "No one has asked the question - did she [Bristol Palin] have the choice to have an abortion?" Cybil didn't ask - "did she have the choice to give her baby up for adoption?" Or, "did she choose to allow her child to be born?" No. Just "did she have the choice of abortion?"

Furthermore, as far as what is widely known at this point, Bristol Palin is not in danger of losing her life by carrying her baby to term. It even appears she is from a financially well off family, she is not black or some other ethnic minority, she was not raped or the baby the result of incest. Plus, she was raised in a family that values life - even when it isn't convenient - as a core belief. Why would it be surprising she wouldn't want an abortion? Shouldn't that be a part of "pro-choice?"


It is still your god. I haven't brought my god into this argument. My god doesn't care what you or anyone else does.
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Maybe Bristol Palin isn't currently pregnant? Maybe she already had that baby, and Sarah is really the grandmother.

Maybe a "miscarriage" will solve the whole thing, eh? Maybe this is all a BIG FUCKING LIE ANYWAY. I mean look how it's spun out. Y'all are ranting again (frothing actually) about how only democrats commit murder under the guise of free choice. It's more than disconcerting, it's SICKENING.
 
The Republicans have successfully managed to derail the election rhetoric once again from the failed and dangerous policies that got us here to a bunch of straw dogs and red herrings.

Good luck with that. 160,000 people lost their jobs in the last thirty days. WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ABORTION???
 
Since January 2001, we have lost almost 2.5 million industrial jobs. Although maintaining our nation’s security demands a strong industrial base, manufacturing employment has fallen to its lowest level since 1958. The trade, transportation and utilities sector has shed more than 1 million jobs; the professional and business services sector has lost 748,000 positions; and the information sector, which includes information technology and telecommunications positions, has shed 428,000 jobs. Retail trade has lost jobs in 20 of the past 31 months, with 398,000 jobs gone since Mr. Bush took office. Job loss is taking hold in the public sector now too, with the federal and state governments cutting payrolls in each of the past five months. And even teens seeking summer work have not been spared: A smaller share has summer jobs than at any time in 55 years, and teen unemployment is at its highest rate in a decade.

And those numbers only represent the first four years under King Bush and his benevolent cabinet of policy puppets.
 
Well, you've worn me out. I no longer give a shit if you kill your children. You aren't worthy of them anyway and they sure as hell don't deserve the sorry assed bastards you are.
 
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