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So much for progress...

It's in LoP's hands. Like I said posts before, I'm not going to carp about this further. Gode's right about that.

And Bad Dog, I'm actually writing a novel. It's only been four years, and such. Some year, I'll actually finish the damn thing. :D
 
Captain Jack said:
Too long, didn't read. :P Just kidding.
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heh

Every time some one has felt that (with good reason) a suspension was wrong, or a decision was a mistake, it was met with contempt.
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Actually no, from time to time suspensions have been reversed, but we don't go to suspension without having good reasons of our own.

Hell, I'd post LoP's replies right here, but I don't think that would be right to do that to him.
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I agree, that's a bad idea for oh so very many reasons. Well, since you've decided not to continue taking up the issue with LoP, I have. Can't promise you'll like the second answer any better than the first one, but there it is

and look at what has happened practically every single time.
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Rubbish. Utter and complete rubbish. The problem is that you have no real idea of how many issues get brought up and get resolved. Not everything is AGQ headline news, and not everyone feels the need to have a three hundred post thread when they have an issue.

I have a different perspective on the issue because I do see all the issue that come up in the SL. I do see all the debates and the fixes that are provided, and frankly, if I had to I couldn't probably find a fair number of examples from AGQ of issues that got fixed by the staff. The problem is that they aren't big flashy ones like the AGQ mega-threads filled with complaints.

Gode, ALL issues from members must be given equal consideration.
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Consideration yes, but that doesn't mean that every issue will be resolved to your personal satisfaction. I've already told you what came out of the consideration of your issue. The fact that you don't like or accept the decision is an entirely seperate problem from the fact that it was discussed, it was given it's day in court (if you'll forgive the imperfect anology).

Hmmm...none of my comments were missed. None of G1223's, HF's, VKD's, RobL's, Cait's, and a number of others posts were missed.
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Heh, plenty of stuff of yours and G's and HF's Cait's and even VKD's and Rob's has been missed, or purposefully accepted as the price of trying to calm things down without endless sanctions. Of course, we don't end up with 300 post threads in AGQ when we let something go, and as a result the impression is that everything is jumped on.

OMG, Gode, I can't believe you wrote that! He's more than a mod, he the friggin' OWNER! Who else should care MORE than the OWNER???????
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You really don't want to get into my hierarchies of MB care, we'll be here all day.

Let me say this, as a former board owner, and someone whose been both mod and admin on various boards. The reason for having a staff, is because no one person can do everything, read every single post on an active board, and deal with every single issue.

The mods exist as a first point of contact, you go to the mods with every day issues. If they can't or won't deal with them, you take it to the admins who function as our 2nd line, and if that fails, the final arbiter is the board owner

I'm not saying that's ironclad or anything, but that's how it's theoretically supposed to work, which is why I said what I did.

A clear pattern is there to easily see what goes on. Granted, it ain't 100%, but it does give a clear idea of how the board handles things.
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I disagree with your assesment.

No. I've just been pointing out what's been happening-or not happening in this case. The staff isn't going to do anything. And that's fine.
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You're both right and wrong. Right in that the staff isn't going to do anything while you limit yourself to confrontations on TK. It's not their bailiwick, and most of them don't care what people do here.

You're wrong in that it's fine. If it was 'fine' then we wouldn't be having this debate. if it was 'fine' you wouldn't have been bothered by it at all, and would have moved on to something else. Your every post on this topic, decrying how it went down, what was and wasn't done says that it isn't 'fine'

Insult? No. Just pointing out the facts.
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Calling someone a troll isn't an insult? Fair enough, i'll keep that in mind.

We're not getting anywhere because you don't seem to understand my position, and my experiences with the staff.
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I understand your position, but I don't agree with it.

You're right. And I'd like to get things fixed as well. But, I just don't see it happening. Not because I don't want it to.
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Shrug, I've told you what I think you should do, you've pre-emptively decided that it won't work. Ultimately only one person is responsible for your actions or inactions, and that's you Spidey, so if you think you've done everything you can to resolve this, then I guess that's it.
 
Captain Jack said:
Yes, it's called "A Tale of Two Message Boards", followed by "Exiled From Ex Isle"

LOL. I kid, I kid. :P :y_grin:
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Heh :D. Actually the titles are the hard part. I never realised quite how many book-titels were already taken.
 
Godeskian said:
Heh :D. Actually the titles are the hard part. I never realised quite how many book-titels were already taken.
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Heh, so true. I've got a story arc that spans 4 books so far. And it can go even farther. And I don't have a title for any of them. I'm trying to finish the first one.
 
Captain Jack said:
I'm not mad in any way. I appreciate discussing this with you.
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Yeah but in long back and forths I find my own patience fraying somewhat. One of the reasons I tend to step away from the PC between posts.
 
Godeskian said:
heh
I agree, that's a bad idea for oh so very many reasons. Well, since you've decided not to continue taking up the issue with LoP, I have. Can't promise you'll like the second answer any better than the first one, but there it is.
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I'm not asking you to take it up with LoP. And I wouldn't want you to go through any unpleasantness because of this. I appreciate you wanting to, but you don't have to do anything.

Rubbish. Utter and complete rubbish. The problem is that you have no real idea of how many issues get brought up and get resolved. Not everything is AGQ headline news, and not everyone feels the need to have a three hundred post thread when they have an issue.
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We'll agree to disagree on this then.

I have a different perspective on the issue because I do see all the issue that come up in the SL. I do see all the debates and the fixes that are provided, and frankly, if I had to I couldn't probably find a fair number of examples from AGQ of issues that got fixed by the staff. The problem is that they aren't big flashy ones like the AGQ mega-threads filled with complaints.
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And have you seen any discussions about my concerns brought up like I was told it would be? EI has had about two weeks at least to address it. I'm not expecting a parade.

Consideration yes, but that doesn't mean that every issue will be resolved to your personal satisfaction. I've already told you what came out of the consideration of your issue. The fact that you don't like or accept the decision is an entirely seperate problem from the fact that it was discussed, it was given it's day in court (if you'll forgive the imperfect anology).
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But, this wasn't discussed. If it were, a PM would have been nice saying "Hey Spidey, we discussed it, and we ain't doing jack". Something.

Heh, plenty of stuff of yours and G's and HF's Cait's and even VKD's and Rob's has been missed, or purposefully accepted as the price of trying to calm things down without endless sanctions. Of course, we don't end up with 300 post threads in AGQ when we let something go, and as a result the impression is that everything is jumped on.
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I disagree.

You really don't want to get into my hierarchies of MB care, we'll be here all day.

Let me say this, as a former board owner, and someone whose been both mod and admin on various boards. The reason for having a staff, is because no one person can do everything, read every single post on an active board, and deal with every single issue.
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EI has a large staff, which gives them LESS of a reason to miss anything or address things.

The mods exist as a first point of contact, you go to the mods with every day issues. If they can't or won't deal with them, you take it to the admins who function as our 2nd line, and if that fails, the final arbiter is the board owner
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Been there. Done that. It didn't work in the past in other issues.

You're both right and wrong. Right in that the staff isn't going to do anything while you limit yourself to confrontations on TK. It's not their bailiwick, and most of them don't care what people do here.
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But I sure feel a whole lot better getting it off my chest. :P

You're wrong in that it's fine. If it was 'fine' then we wouldn't be having this debate. if it was 'fine' you wouldn't have been bothered by it at all, and would have moved on to something else. Your every post on this topic, decrying how it went down, what was and wasn't done says that it isn't 'fine'
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Yes, there's the EI answer. "You're wrong". At this point, I'm fine with it. Really. Because the more I look at this thread, the more I see that nothing I can ever say will ever make any difference. Fine. There are other boards.

Calling someone a troll isn't an insult? Fair enough, i'll keep that in mind.
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See my point then? Some one calling a liar wasn't right either. I paid for it-twice. Another didn't.

I understand your position, but I don't agree with it.
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And that's the same answer I will get from EI. No one will ever agree with me there. So why bother?

Shrug, I've told you what I think you should do, you've pre-emptively decided that it won't work. Ultimately only one person is responsible for your actions or inactions, and that's you Spidey, so if you think you've done everything you can to resolve this, then I guess that's it.
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Good advice, but it really WON'T work. And, yes, I do think I have done everything I could do to resolve this. So, yeah, that's it I guess.
 
Captain Jack said:
I'm not asking you to take it up with LoP. And I wouldn't want you to go through any unpleasantness because of this. I appreciate you wanting to, but you don't have to do anything.
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Too late for that i'm afraid. Besides, talking is no great bother for me.

And have you seen any discussions about my concerns brought up like I was told it would be? EI has had about two weeks at least to address it. I'm not expecting a parade.
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Then what are you expecting? Because that's something I'm still not clear on. I've given you the answer I got from the mods of the forum. You dismissed it as a technicality. What exactly do you expect from this?

If it were, a PM would have been nice saying "Hey Spidey, we discussed it, and we ain't doing jack".
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Definitely a point.

But I sure feel a whole lot better getting it off my chest. :P
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Actually, that in and of itself is a valid reason I suppose. It just doesn't (imo) achieve much. I tend to feel better for fixing problems rather than venting about them.

And that's the same answer I will get from EI. No one will ever agree with me there. So why bother?
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Now you are predicting the behaviour of not just the staff but the entire membership?

Good advice, but it really WON'T work.
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Then it can't, per definition be good advice, and I happen to think it is.
 
Godeskian said:
....remember that only a tiny fraction of exislers actually reads TK.
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O'RLY?

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I do not know why people subject themselves
to the puerility of EI. I was suspended w/o
warning, and have not considered posting an
'lol' there, as there are very few people I
allow to sit in judgement of me.

By entering EI you permit a number of persons
you probably wouldn't look at in RL to decide
what is and is not acceptable.

By entering EI you become obeisant to the
current 'morality' or 'political correctness' of
the Mod.

Lurk, if you wish, send PMs if you desire,
but why post in public forum, in which
pathetic losers who consider being a Mod
the pinnacle of their existence can stifle
your freedom of speech?



 
kaylar said:


I do not know why people subject themselves
to the puerility of EI. I was suspended w/o
warning, and have not considered posting an
'lol' there, as there are very few people I
allow to sit in judgement of me.

By entering EI you permit a number of persons
you probably wouldn't look at in RL to decide
what is and is not acceptable.

By entering EI you become obeisant to the
current 'morality' or 'political correctness' of
the Mod.

Lurk, if you wish, send PMs if you desire,
but why post in public forum, in which
pathetic losers who consider being a Mod
the pinnacle of their existence can stifle
your freedom of speech?
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