So much for progress...

[Lilith]

Did you join that site I gave you CJ? Just wondering

 

[Godeskian]

It isn't by MY time table, Godeskian. It's been more than two weeks, and not a peep.

Shrug, it's a semantic issue for me, but not very important in the grand scheme of things.

However be that as it may, regarding the post I believe the conclusion was that Rhea wasn't specifically calling you a liar so much as suggesting you were either misinterpreting or lying.

I doubt you'll appreciate the explanation, but at current it's the only one I can offer you. If you want a more detailed one, then you will have to go to Exisle and ask the mods in question, or register a complaint over how it was handled with LoP, because I'm simply not willing to act as a go-between for someone who is perfectly capable of posting on Exisle, and simply refuses to do so while complaining about the site elsewhere.

and call them illiterate and not get warned for it for WEEKS, how would you feel?

Shrug, I'd ignore it but then I'm darned hard to insult and even harder to rile up over message-board nonsense. Compared to the absolute garbage I have to wade through in my real life, nothing someone says to me on a message board vis-a-vis insults has any real meaning.

If you're still really that upset about it, then get up of your duff, log back on to Exisle and put in an official complaint to the admins. not a 'can you please look into it' but a solid 'I registered this issue on date x and I don't think it's been dealt with, can you take it up with the relevant mods'

As for this discussion, I think i've said all I intend to, and trying to discuss Exisle with you on TK, when we are both perfectly capable of posting on Exisle and using it's PM system is frankly, a little pointless.

 

[Captain Jack]

Shrug, it's a semantic issue for me, but not very important in the grand scheme of things.

However be that as it may, regarding the post I believe the conclusion was that Rhea wasn't specifically calling you a liar so much as suggesting you were either misinterpreting or lying.

Correction: It wasn't Rhea calling me a liar, it was Rhea calling Heroic Fool a liar. And I won't play the semantics game. It was clearly stated in my warning that using the word "liar" to another member is not tolerated by Ex Isle. She basically said that either HF is a LIAR or he can't read. That's TWO negatives right there. This isn't rocket science.

I doubt you'll appreciate the explanation,

You know me all too well, my friend.

...but at current it's the only one I can offer you. If you want a more detailed one, then you will have to go to Exisle and ask the mods in question, or register a complaint over how it was handled with LoP, because I'm simply not willing to act as a go-between for someone who is perfectly capable of posting on Exisle, and simply refuses to do so while complaining about the site elsewhere.

That fact that you are trying to help, is highly appreciated and should be commended. You don't get the respect you deserve for doing this, but I do appreciate it.

I won't go ask for mods anything as I have already talked to LoP weeks ago. Nothing has happened. If I persue this on EI, I may be warned or worse for wanting to "sanction" another member or whatever. The point is, staff should be able to perform these basic duties with out any member uttering a word. I'm not asking you to be a go-betweener. I wouldn't want to put you through such an uncomfortable position. It's clear EI staff doesn't give a shit, and that's fine. That's why I left. Why bother wasting time in a place where favoritism runs free, and members are treated as classes. Screw that. EI was formed on the basis of equality and fairness. Today's EI is not that anymore.

Shrug, I'd ignore it but then I'm darned hard to insult and even harder to rile up over message-board nonsense. Compared to the absolute garbage I have to wade through in my real life, nothing someone says to me on a message board vis-a-vis insults has any real meaning.

I'm not insulted. Nothing Rhea could ever say to me will ever bother me. It's the fact that the staff is so screwed up and looks the other way when they KNOW what she's done that bothers me. Not just her, but also others like her. I go through absolute garbage in RL as well. So why the hell should I have to deal with it online? Forget that.

If you're still really that upset about it, then get up of your duff, log back on to Exisle and put in an official complaint to the admins. not a 'can you please look into it' but a solid 'I registered this issue on date x and I don't think it's been dealt with, can you take it up with the relevant mods'

See above. I have, nothing happened. And I shouldn't have to do any more if they really gave a rats ass.

As for this discussion, I think i've said all I intend to, and trying to discuss Exisle with you on TK, when we are both perfectly capable of posting on Exisle and using it's PM system is frankly, a little pointless.

No, it's not pointless. TK is an open forum. EI isn't. It's censored like crazy, and you know it. If Eryn or whoever else sees a complaint thread, she/he will close it. And even if it weren't, I'd have about 19,000 EI'er screaming bloody murder over my complaint. At least here on TK, I can have a decent, civil discussion over this without the lynch mob storming in. Ergo, not a waste of time at all here.

 

[RobL]

As for this discussion, I think i've said all I intend to, and trying to discuss Exisle with you on TK, when we are both perfectly capable of posting on Exisle and using it's PM system is frankly, a little pointless.

I'm not able to post on EI. And believe me, if I did have that ability, I would have raised a stink about it by now.

 

[Godeskian]

I'm not able to post on EI. And believe me, if I did have that ability, I would have raised a stink about it by now.

And much like I did for HF, if I thought you had a good point that needed bringing to anyone's attention there I'd be willing to. However Jack can post on Exisle, so having me act as a go between is gumming up the works at best.

 

[Godeskian]

Correction: It wasn't Rhea calling me a liar, it was Rhea calling Heroic Fool a liar.

Correction noted. I'm afraid the issue isn't one I've spent a great deal of time thinking about, and I got my names mixed up.

You don't get the respect you deserve for doing this, but I do appreciate it.

To paraphrase David Weber, if I can't take a joke I shouldn't have joined.

If I persue this on EI, I may be warned or worse for wanting to "sanction" another member or whatever.

Nowhere did I say that you should post a thread demanding anyone's head on a platter. What I said was to PM LoP. You've said you won't do that, and that's fine, but it kind of limits the available options.

TK is an open forum.

I'm sorry, but I still think that TK as a concept is an emo hellhole, I doubt that will ever change.

At least here on TK, I can have a decent, civil discussion over this without the lynch mob storming in. Ergo, not a waste of time at all here.

Except of course that nothing gets accomplished from here except for you to complain freely. Nothing gets resolved.

 

[Captain Jack]

And much like I did for HF, if I thought you had a good point that needed bringing to anyone's attention there I'd be willing to. However Jack can post on Exisle, so having me act as a go between is gumming up the works at best.

Please refer me as "Captain Jack", "CJ", "Spidey", or even "A Karas" because there was a member here named "Jack" and he was somewhat of a perve. Thanks.

Yes, I can post on EI, but I won't. I left EI because of all the B.S. going on there. And I DID PM LoP, and I said I did a few times in this thread. Nothing was done, Gode.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. From what I read, it sounded like you wanted me to call for Rhea to be on the chopping block. I won't do that, but it wasn't what you were implying anyway, so my bad for misinterpreting.

 

[Godeskian]

Please refer me as "Captain Jack", "CJ", "Spidey", or even "A Karas" because there was a member here named "Jack" and he was somewhat of a perve. Thanks.

Fair play, Captain Jack it is.

Yes, I can post on EI, but I won't. I left EI because of all the B.S. going on there. And I DID PM LoP, and I said I did a few times in this thread. Nothing was done, Gode.

Yes, but it doesn't particularly sound like you registered a specific complaint about the way things were handled. From your posts it sounds like you asked him for an opinion, and he said it was being looked at. If that impression isn't right, then that's fine, but that's the impression i'm left with.

From what I read, it sounded like you wanted me to call for Rhea to be on the chopping block.

I'm a big believer in giving praise in public and condemnation in private. It's just sound practice.

 

[Captain Jack]

Threads of equal treatment of EI policy have been cropping up for months in the past. And the result of all of them has been either 1)they get closed down, 2)moved to the beach, 3)becomes nothing but a shouting match. It's pointless.

All I want is equal treatment. And if Rhea doesn't get a warning for what she did, then either that should be rectified, or my warnings be reversed. At this point, I doubt neither will happen.

I shouldn't have to go and make a complaint. HF even stated that what she said was messed up that that very thread on EI, and it was overlooked. Check it out for yourself if you don't believe me. It's there in the guideline discussion thread. I won't set foot in a board that treats folks so unfairly-especially to some one who has been a part of that board for a long time, and has put great effort in making it better. Only to be screwed over. How do you think I feel about that? Trust me, it's not a happy feeling.

 

[Godeskian]

And the bottom line is that telling me here isn't going achieve anything. Making any point about Exisle here on TK is going to achieve nothing byeond increasing your postcount. Whether TK is the last shining bastion of free speech that you perceive it to be, or the emo hellhole I do, for the vast majority of people on Exisle, it's just 'that other place' and what happens here is totally irrelevant and uninteresting.

So the way I see it you've got three choices broadly speaking

You can get over it, accept that life if unfair and move on, or you can sit here on TK and complain endlessly about how unfair the moderation is and achieve absolutely nothing, or you can accept the fact that sometimes your choices make you unpopular, go to Exisle and make a stand for your opinion, (be it in PM, or post or whatever) accepting the consequences as you do so.

I know what I'd do, but then i'm not only very secure with myself, but I've had plenty of experience of standing all by my lonesome with an unpopular opinion, and at the end of the day if you want to get a problem fixed, then you are going to have to go out and fix it.

After all, the universe doesn't give us points for doing the easy things.

 

[Captain Jack]

And the bottom line is that telling me here isn't going achieve anything. Making any point about Exisle here on TK is going to achieve nothing byeond increasing your postcount. Whether TK is the last shining bastion of free speech that you perceive it to be, or the emo hellhole I do, for the vast majority of people on Exisle, it's just 'that other place' and what happens here is totally irrelevant and uninteresting.

Geez, Gode, ease up on the TK bashing. I never painted TK in that kind of glorified picture, but it ain't exactly a hell hole either. Believe me, I was just over at a couple of other boards where they make TK look like a chump change.

One thing you overlooked is that a few mods/ex mods post here as well. At least they used to.

So the way I see it you've got three choices broadly speaking

You can get over it, accept that life if unfair and move on, or you can sit here on TK and complain endlessly about how unfair the moderation is and achieve absolutely nothing, or you can accept the fact that sometimes your choices make you unpopular, go to Exisle and make a stand for your opinion, (be it in PM, or post or whatever) accepting the consequences as you do so.

I've made my choice a while ago. EI has PROVEN itself to be a mere shell of it's former self. It's gotten corrupted to the point where nothing can be done because no one is grown up enough to compromise or agree to anything.

People who pretend to be a friend turn out to be not a friend at all. And it goes on and on. And frankly, I think I have a right to bitch, carp, and kick up a bit of dust about this because I'm not some noob who just joined. I've been through the SSBBS BS. I've been through the beginnings of EI. And I've been an active member there for years, and I've always tried to treat each and every one with courtesy, kindness, and respect. And over time, I saw less and less given back in kind. Not just to me, but in general. I've seen more divide there than I care to. And no one gives a rats ass if some one gets hurt unless it's one of their clic friends. And personally, I hate clic.

I know what I'd do, but then i'm not only very secure with myself, but I've had plenty of experience of standing all by my lonesome with an unpopular opinion, and at the end of the day if you want to get a problem fixed, then you are going to have to go out and fix it.

Heh, not falling for that bait. I've already taken steps and have conversed with LoP via PM. Nothing happened. I'm not going to push the issue with him or anyone else since it is obvious it something he, or others want to persue. Until I see EI grow up, and get it's act together, I'm not posting there. Why put myself in a hostile environment?

After all, the universe doesn't give us points for doing the easy things.

No offense, Gode, but that comment sucks. I've voiced my opinions and fought more battles there than you have. At least in the issues that I've been in the middle of. Correct me if I am wrong, but the point is, I did a whole lot of things the hard way.

 

[Godeskian]

One thing you overlooked is that a few mods/ex mods post here as well. At least they used to.

I post here myself so I hardly overlooked it.

It's gotten corrupted to the point where nothing can be done because no one is grown up enough to compromise or agree to anything.

Well, at least your clear about it.

I've been through the beginnings of EI. And I've been an active member there for years

True, but the validity of your opinions isn't based on something as arbitrary as how long you've been posting somewhere (or it shouldn't be. I'm well aware that in the real world that's seldom true though). Length of time on a messageboard is rarely a garantuee of posting quality, and new people have as much right to an opinion as veteran posters.

I've already taken steps and have conversed with LoP via PM. Nothing happened.

So why did you stop taking steps? I'm not trying to bait you, but I don't understand why you'd start in on an issue and then not follow it to resolution (regardless for a moment if it was the resolution you want).

No offense, Gode, but that comment sucks.

It's one of my core philosophies A Karas. Doing things that are hard and scarey and that have uncertain outcomes is the only way to grow. So you may think it sucks, but I honestly hold the opinion nonetheless. Of course, I did mention above that I'm used to holding unpopular opinions.

I've voiced my opinions and fought more battles there than you have.
At least in the issues that I've been in the middle of. Correct me if I am wrong, but the point is, I did a whole lot of things the hard way.

Then why stop now?

 

[Captain Jack]

Well, at least your clear about it.

Thank you.

True, but the validity of your opinions isn't based on something as arbitrary as how long you've been posting somewhere (or it shouldn't be. I'm well aware that in the real world that's seldom true though). Length of time on a messageboard is rarely a garantuee of posting quality, and new people have as much right to an opinion as veteran posters.

The point that I was trying to make was that people over there should know me well enough to know I would never want to harm EI in any way. Instead they saw me as that "TK'er", and I've been referred to as "You and your TK pals". Nothing I have said or done was conspired by anyone on TK or anywhere else in order to harm EI. My point is that folks are all too easy to turn on one another for the slightest reason. All it takes is one post, and people just jump on in like an American Football team tackling the wide reciever.

So why did you stop taking steps? I'm not trying to bait you, but I don't understand why you'd start in on an issue and then not follow it to resolution (regardless for a moment if it was the resolution you want).

I stopped taking steps because I felt nothing was going to be done. And it frustrated me that despite LoP taking over, nothing was going to change for the better. Just more of the same. Don't get me wrong, I like LoP, and I like Rov. And, I'm sorry I used the word "bait" towards you. That was a poor choice of words on my part.

It's one of my core philosophies A Karas. Doing things that are hard and scarey and that have uncertain outcomes is the only way to grow. So you may think it sucks, but I honestly hold the opinion nonetheless. Of course, I did mention above that I'm used to holding unpopular opinions.

I've done things many times that are hard and scary. And in recent years, I've done things that have been the hardest and scariest for me both in RL and online. I'm not ashamed of it. In fact, I'm glad I'm doing it. I'm glad I'm going against the grain because I know I can, and I'm doing it for the right reasons.

Then why stop now?

Because I'm tired my friend. I've lost every battle over there. Not one single small victory. And each time it just got harder and harder, and folks just don't want to listen. When that happens, they will just make one look bad, twist their words, and meet you with contempt.

I meant what I said about you not getting the credit you deserve. You are easily the bravest man from over there. It take real guts to go to a site that you don't like, and converse-even if it means you'll be met with some angry folks who don't like you.

But I like you because you are my friend. Always have been, and always will be. And that fact that you come here, shows how good a friend you are. And you rock. Any EI'er who questions you for doing this, or any other post here should put it in their pipe and smoke it. You're doing the right thing! And you're a fine example of what is good about EI, and what a good person is. That, I will never forget, and no one can ever take that away from you. Anyone who has a problem with you on EI, I have a problem with them.

 

[Captain Jack]

It's very late here in the west coast of the US. I will say goodnite to you now, Gode. And thanks. Despite my ranting, and all that, conversing with you does help a great deal. Perhaps more than you realize or give yourself credit for. But it does.

 

[starguard]

Good Night

Sleep Tight

Don't let the Bedbugs Bite

 

[HeroicFool]

Hmm, so you're saying I should go to Ei and start a thread on this Gode?

I will you know...

You'll likely grow to regret the invitation too.

 

[Captain Jack]

Hmm, so you're saying I should go to Ei and start a thread on this Gode?

I will you know...

You'll likely grow to regret the invitation too.

It's kind of a dangerous thing to do though. On the one hand, the staff wants to know if there is wrong treatment or if a poor decision is made. And on the other, when a thread or response is made that goes against a staff decision, or complaining about unequal implemtation of the rules, it turns into a blood bath. It could also be viewed as calling for sanctions against another member, and that is not allowed. So, what can you do? What can anyone do to voice themselves without being portrayed as "troublemakers"?

 

[HeroicFool]

You'd think that after VKD nefariously used a color tag to color a swear word they'd have fixed that...

Guess not...


Banapis has edited the word fucking in my post.... I expect a warning before the week is out.

 

[Captain Jack]

You'd think that after VKD nefariously used a color tag to color a swear word they'd have fixed that...

Guess not...


Banapis has edited the word fucking in my post.... I expect a warning before the week is out.

That I don't doubt. Perhaps even sooner than that. Yet Rhea remains untouched with her shenanagans. See a pattern?

 

[FBI parte due]

So, if net nannies can detect color tags in swears, what keeps them from detecting asterisks in swears?