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It's still on Veridian III, only now it's a city called New Riverside.
Star Trek Picard season 3
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CaptainWacky
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Well it took longer than the first two seasons to get to the "hilariously dumb" stage. I mean I found the first five episodes kind of dumb in certain ways, but they were at least functional and sometimes entertaining episodes of tv (Riker threw an asteroid at a ship! It was fun!) This though...
Literally going from "LOOK IT'S JIM KIRK'S FUCKING CORPSE NO IT'S MORIARTY NO IT'S POP GOES THE WEASEL NO IT'S DATA NO IT'S EVERY SOONG ANDROID IN ONE HUMAN BODY THAT CAN SHOOT HOLOGRAMS OUT ITS EYES FOR SOME FUCKING REASON" gave me ANGRY WHIPLASH. The Daystrom Institute in TNG was a scientific research facility...why the fuck would the space station where SECTION 31 (OF COURSE IT'S FUCKING SECTION 31 AGAIN) keep corpses and broken robots be named "Daystrom"? Oh that's right, it's a word people remember from Star Trek.
Why would the second Defiant that was in like the last two episodes of DS9 be in a museum? It's not even that old!
Remember "no changeling has ever harmed another"? Remember how Odo and the Female Chageling stuck to this even when they were fighting on opposing sides in an intergalactic war? Oops, Vadic just pointlessly murdered another changeling to show how EVIL she is! Why are these things even Founder Changelings? They might as well just be a totally different species; they're completely different. Oh it's because Matalas is incapable of going ten seconds without saying "THIS THING RELATES TO THAT OTHER THING even though the details are all wrong."
And even trying to judge this just as an episode of tv on its own...it was all over the place. It didn't tell a coherent story. And the dialogue was so bad. Crusher talking about her son's brain being "OVERCLOCKED" as if that's a thing a doctor in the 25th century would say, let alone Beverly Crusher.
And yeah it's nice seeing Levar Burton again, Shaw has a few good moments, and sometimes Patrick Stewart makes a face that makes me feel like I'm watching Jean-Luc Picard for half a second, but this is Not Good.
Literally going from "LOOK IT'S JIM KIRK'S FUCKING CORPSE NO IT'S MORIARTY NO IT'S POP GOES THE WEASEL NO IT'S DATA NO IT'S EVERY SOONG ANDROID IN ONE HUMAN BODY THAT CAN SHOOT HOLOGRAMS OUT ITS EYES FOR SOME FUCKING REASON" gave me ANGRY WHIPLASH. The Daystrom Institute in TNG was a scientific research facility...why the fuck would the space station where SECTION 31 (OF COURSE IT'S FUCKING SECTION 31 AGAIN) keep corpses and broken robots be named "Daystrom"? Oh that's right, it's a word people remember from Star Trek.
Why would the second Defiant that was in like the last two episodes of DS9 be in a museum? It's not even that old!
Remember "no changeling has ever harmed another"? Remember how Odo and the Female Chageling stuck to this even when they were fighting on opposing sides in an intergalactic war? Oops, Vadic just pointlessly murdered another changeling to show how EVIL she is! Why are these things even Founder Changelings? They might as well just be a totally different species; they're completely different. Oh it's because Matalas is incapable of going ten seconds without saying "THIS THING RELATES TO THAT OTHER THING even though the details are all wrong."
And even trying to judge this just as an episode of tv on its own...it was all over the place. It didn't tell a coherent story. And the dialogue was so bad. Crusher talking about her son's brain being "OVERCLOCKED" as if that's a thing a doctor in the 25th century would say, let alone Beverly Crusher.
And yeah it's nice seeing Levar Burton again, Shaw has a few good moments, and sometimes Patrick Stewart makes a face that makes me feel like I'm watching Jean-Luc Picard for half a second, but this is Not Good.
The Tomtrek
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Who made a second Genesis device?
Didn't they wwatch the documentary "The Search for Spock"??
Didn't they wwatch the documentary "The Search for Spock"??
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There's rumbling of a spinoff featuring the Titan-A, Shaw, Jack Crusher, the LaForge sisters, etc.
I... would not be opposed to the existence of such a show.
I... would not be opposed to the existence of such a show.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
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I think that's the idea, but there are all sorts of budget cuts going on across multiple streaming platforms. One of the reasons Discovery finally got axed. But that would be a show I'd watch especially if Seven was onboard too. Shaw cracks me up in a good way.
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Yeah, he grows on ya. The right balance of 'regular guy' and 'professional'.
That, I think, is what endears Picard Season 3 to me, somewhat. We're finally seeing Starfleet personnel acting like competent, emotionally mature adults again. Patrick Stewart is playing Picard again, rather than a riff on the Logan version of Charles Xavier 'In Spaaayce!'. (Honestly, balancing a few minutes of memberberries hero ship porn against that flatly fucking goofy-ass "Frenchman" disguise they shat out at us in Season 1... put the hero ship porn on a loop, I can take it.)
I mean, I was pleasantly stunned when the Vulcan bridge officer didn't burst into tears for no justifiable reason.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
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Yes, I would say the characterization is mostly on point, considering it's 20+ years later and people do not remain static throughout their lives. It's largely believable, to me at least, that these people are who they are now.
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For me, it's come back to believable. Season 1, flatly No. Season 2... well, there it started getting a bit better, but I credit the addition of John De Lancie for that. The Q / Picard dynamic must have been hard for Stewart to fuck up; the acting equivalent of "muscle memory" was plausibly at play there. Now, in season 3, where he has even more of the old pros to play off of... even better.
I think what I'm getting at is that Picard was Picard in large part due to the rest of the ensemble. But playing against characters who were (in Season 1) fairly unlikable losers -- Raffi was a junkie and the less said about Mizz Barf Bag, the better -- Stewart was just playing A Withering Old Has-Been.
Only now that the old band is back together does it feel like Picard, the character, is back together.
I think what I'm getting at is that Picard was Picard in large part due to the rest of the ensemble. But playing against characters who were (in Season 1) fairly unlikable losers -- Raffi was a junkie and the less said about Mizz Barf Bag, the better -- Stewart was just playing A Withering Old Has-Been.
Only now that the old band is back together does it feel like Picard, the character, is back together.
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CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
I forgot the fucking Tribble with teeth.
Eggs Mayonnaise
All In With The Nuts
I understand what everyone is saying, but... I didn't hate this episode as much as everyone else.
The constant call-and-response of nostalgic moments was a filling meal for me. We've known from the start that whatever plot they cobbled together would need to be largely ignored, and I'm willing to keep doing it because with this season, at least there's another kind of payoff instead of utter disappointment.
They kept acting like it was the Klingon cloaking device they installed, but didn't Riker see the Pegasus cloaking device in an alcove at one point? It was very brief and I wasn't sure exactly what the equipment was, but visually it approximated the device from the older episode...
How they wrote Data back in was pretty bad, though. B-grade fanfic level. But again, there's no extracting enjoyment from this shindig without turning the brain 75% off...
The constant call-and-response of nostalgic moments was a filling meal for me. We've known from the start that whatever plot they cobbled together would need to be largely ignored, and I'm willing to keep doing it because with this season, at least there's another kind of payoff instead of utter disappointment.
They kept acting like it was the Klingon cloaking device they installed, but didn't Riker see the Pegasus cloaking device in an alcove at one point? It was very brief and I wasn't sure exactly what the equipment was, but visually it approximated the device from the older episode...
How they wrote Data back in was pretty bad, though. B-grade fanfic level. But again, there's no extracting enjoyment from this shindig without turning the brain 75% off...
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Episode 7 preview - titled ... oh boy: Dominion
One theory after the goo-hand scene was that Floaty-Head was a Changeling and Vadic was the 'host', with her people being compelled under threat of destruction to carry out the will of The Founder faction. This scene would suggest Vadic is a Changeling outright, and Floaty-Head is something else entirely.
The shape of the head is reminiscent of 8472, but I don't think they're a contender.
The Borg? Just send a thousand cubes already and cut the convoluted crap. No - I think The Borg had their swan song last season.
Future Guy? Resurrecting the Temporal Cold War with a couple of episodes to go? No.
Pagh Wraith? Eh ...
The head appears to be made of the same material as the Changeling. So, it's using the goo as a conduit for communication. It's asking for a report so it's not in Vadic observing everything going on ...
I'm going off the deep end here. I presume given the emphasis on nostalgia and callbacks it's not going to be a random alien species, but someone we already know.
The shape of the head is reminiscent of 8472, but I don't think they're a contender.
The Borg? Just send a thousand cubes already and cut the convoluted crap. No - I think The Borg had their swan song last season.
Future Guy? Resurrecting the Temporal Cold War with a couple of episodes to go? No.
Pagh Wraith? Eh ...
The head appears to be made of the same material as the Changeling. So, it's using the goo as a conduit for communication. It's asking for a report so it's not in Vadic observing everything going on ...
I'm going off the deep end here. I presume given the emphasis on nostalgia and callbacks it's not going to be a random alien species, but someone we already know.
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CaptainWacky
I want to smell dark matter
It's Armus.
Colonel Kira's Left Tit
Bearded Belly of Bajor
I think this is mostly how I feel about it. It's not terrible. It doesn't want to make me pull my hair out, generally. It's just comfortable. Kick back in your favorite chair with a snack and a beverage sort of comfortable.