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Star Trek: Strange New Worlds

There was a time when people didn't like Columbo? I'm surprised they haven't remade that with Ruffolo yet.
Oh it's not that people didn't like Columbo. But Columbo is having a cultural moment right now with millennials and zoomers discovering the show.
 
Columbo reruns are on one of the ota channels. I stop and watch for a few minutes when I'm channel surfing sometimes.

Also, I'm probably on my 50th rewatch of DS9. For the longest time "Heroes & Icons" was one of the only reliable channels I could get. So I watched DS9 reruns every night before I fell asleep. Now I feel like I have to watch or my whole night is INCORRECT. Nog took his spacial orientation test again last night. lol
 
I want to go through Wacky Reviews: Star Trek and list all the episodes I rated 10/10. But it would take a while.

Maybe some of them were 10/10 in your heart! I do have some that I love so much, and I'm always glad when I see them again. Anyone could point out the flaws in any episode and say okay it's not perfect, but if you loved it anyway then it kind of is perfect.
 
I don't want high art from Trek, nor have I ever perceived it as such. I do think DS9 at it's best was damned good by any measure.

They ran a "New Coke" campaign and everyone's thrilled to have Classic back on the shelf.

But yeah, I get it. It's comfort food. I guess the thing is, we've been spoilt by a lot of incredibly well-written shows in the years following ENT's cancellation. NuTrek tried to ape the prestige serialised format and failed miserably. So, back to tried and true it is.

Enjoy the McNuggets while they're still hot, I guess.
" Did anyone else notice the garish LGBTQ rainbow logo 2.5 seconds in to give the 'THE MESSAGE'? in SNW?
THE SHIP THEN TURNS AROUND AND AT 12 SECONDS FLOODS THE WHOLE SCREEN WITH THE GARISH LGHBTQ RAINBOW LOGO TO HAMMER 'THE MESSAGE IN'. THE WARP EFFECT IS THE LGHBHQ RAINBOW!!!

The Lgbhtq RAINBOW in the starting credits AT 3 SECONDS in.... that is the SJW woke.
 
Well, I think a thing is that we don't have a lot of incredibly well-written shows like this. Prestige TV is serialised and, because its conflicts have to be "important" enough to sustain entire seasons of shows, often pretty dark or depressing. But there's a huge appetite for episodic stuff out there - that's one of the reasons we're seeing a weird renaissance of Columbo fandom right now. And we just haven't seen a lot of great episodic TV outside comedy! The Orville is fine, but sub-Voyager level. There's still uh NCIS and Law & Order for boomers. But since the end of Enterprise, I don't know that there's been even Enterprise-level episodic scifi? The good sci-fi stuff, For All Mankind and The Expanse, they're heavily serialised. BSG was a mix of episodic and serialised, but its episodic stuff was rancid, it was no good at that at all. Maybe some people like the stargates idk.

LAAN AND ORTEGAS ARE AWFUL WUUMAAN
 
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going detective mode to try to find the hidden message
 
Maybe some of them were 10/10 in your heart! I do have some that I love so much, and I'm always glad when I see them again. Anyone could point out the flaws in any episode and say okay it's not perfect, but if you loved it anyway then it kind of is perfect.

I don't think there's that many I gave 10/10, it's just a very long thread.

I'M GOING TO DO IT SOME DAY.
 
Fun light-hearted episode. Felt like a rejected Lower Decks script in some points. Spock and T'Pring's actors showed good comic timing.

Really think they should have mentioned M'Benga's sick transporter daughter again though. He's fine going off on shore leave and leaving her in the buffer?
 
That was fun as hell. The writing team here seems to get it, and while this ep was largely comedic it wasn't cringeworthy like past Star Trek "comedies". Love the character work.
Yeah, good trek comedy is really rare and fails much more often than it succeeds. I think it's also usually much more uh situational? Like Trek finds comedies by putting people in funny situations, but it hasn't often gotten humour out of *sharp* dialogue like in this ep. I've researched the Spock and T'Pring hijinks scene three times already!
 
So I just watched the first episode of Strange New Worlds because I'm always behind in watching absolutely everything. As a result, I have not looked at the rest of this thread to avoid spoilers for upcoming episodes but here are my thoughts on the opener.

It was...okay?

I certainly didn't hate it and I certainly didn't love it either. Anson Mount is clear leading man material and has the right amount of gravitas and charm for the role. The set design, costuming (I really like the uniforms) and general look of the show are top-notch, and whilst Ethan Peck doesn't really remind me of Nimoy's Spock much at all I thought he was good in the role otherwise. I have talked plenty about how I don't like the idea of constantly revisiting the TOS crew but that ship has sailed so I'm not going to use it as a strike against anyone who has to fill those extremely large boots.

By 15 minutes in I was starting to sigh a bit at the endless member berries moments they had crammed in (of course it's the USS Archer, etc) since it makes the world seems small and it's just unnecessary but Pike is eminently watchable and I did enjoy just looking at the screen. Again, it looks very nice.

His knowledge about his own future was slightly jarring (I don't know if this was mentioned in Discovery beforehand I couldn't continue) and adds another layer to the problem of prequels where the audience knows where everything is ultimately going but now the actual main character does as well?

The main story of the piece about the problems that generally arise with first contact and the prime directive (or General Order 1) was very middling. It's been done before of course (and actually probably even better in that season 2 Orville episode) and brought nothing new to the table to make this story stand out. The angle about the Federation being responsible for them discovering warp drive wasn't enough to make it stand out and didn't make a whole lot of sense either. They reverse-engineered it from seeing activity through their telescopes? Also, the idea of them not being ready for warp technology didn't really work since they still made it, just with some help from some observations. It's not like Earth was in a great place when Cochrane discovered warp technology. I guess they did explain that they chose to make a weapon instead of a drive but still, it didn't really work for me. And that was my main issue with this episode. I didn't find the writing particularly strong. Nothing about this makes me change my mind on Akiva Goldsman or Alex Kurtzman's ability to write truly compelling Trek.

The whole edited package of Earth's history of the Eugenics war was pretty on the nose as well. I guess they have a video editor on the Enterprise ready to make stirring VTs for alien species to change their warring ways once they see it. Just didn't work.

So yeah, I didn't really think the story was great at all but I liked the performances and some of the crew interactions were nice, and it already feels like Spock and Pike bounce off each other nicely. I do like the idea that they didn't try and cram a more grandiose overarching plot down our throats and it felt more like a classic one-episode adventure which I assume is what the show is going for. Just hoped it might have been a stronger first outing.

I did roll my eyes a few times (they messed up and didn't transport Spock's pants, that's not a potentially dangerous oversight when using transporter technology!) but I didn't feel like there was anything egregiously terrible to make me angry either.

IT WAS FINE OK.

I'll keep watching it.
 
Without giving SPOILERS: I liked the first two episodes fine, but the "at least it's better than Picard and Discovery!" feeling definintely helped them. Third episode was okay but the weakest so far. But the fourth episode was a really good and definitely had me thinking "wow, this is actually good Star Trek!" and the fifth episode continued that feeling in a more comedic way! First episodes are always a bit wonky so yeah definitely watch more and you MIGHT WELL feel the same way as me and others.
 
Yeah, I'm not really what you would call a fanboy even though I've been watching various iterations of Star Trek since the 70s. I kind of fell out of it around the time DS9 was ending, didn't really care about Voyager too much, and most everything after that has just been background noise. Something about this show has grabbed my attention for the first time in over 20 years, so I'm not sure what's up with that but I kind of look forward to the next episodes.
 
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