Who was worse? Adolf Hitler or George S. Patton

[Red Whacker]

Well now you are.

Not sure yet. Please go do a google search with graphs and such.

 

[Tyrant]

Which is stupidly racist in itself. The idea that culture and genetics are linked is the basis of most racist attitudes.

Not that I feel strongly about this in particular, and I'm assuming you might have been referring to multicultis themselves, but it begs the question: why can't they be linked?

 

[Grandtheftcow]

Not that I feel strongly about this in particular, and I'm assuming you might have been referring to multicultis themselves, but it begs the question: why can't they be linked?

OK I'll use white trash as an example.

White trash have their own culture. They're generally seen as uneducated, poor, inbreeding, and get drunk off weak shitty beer. Now the racist attitude would be that they're born with these deficiencies. However we all know there are white people in North America and Europe who barely have anything in common with the NASCAR demographic.

So why would it make any sense to think blackie from the jungles of Africa can't assimilate into our culture and can't do the same as we do?

 

[Red Whacker]

OK I'll use white trash as an example.

White trash have their own culture. They're generally seen as uneducated, poor, inbreeding, and get drunk off weak shitty beer. Now the racist attitude would be that they're born with these deficiencies. However we all know there are white people in North America and Europe who barely have anything in common with the NASCAR demographic.

So why would it make any sense to think blackie from the jungles of Africa can't assimilate into our culture and can't do the same as we do?

This ofcourse if race is to be divided only depending on colour.

 

[Tyrant]

OK I'll use white trash as an example.

White trash have their own culture. They're generally seen as uneducated, poor, inbreeding, and get drunk off weak shitty beer. Now the racist attitude would be that they're born with these deficiencies. However we all know there are white people in North America and Europe who barely have anything in common with the NASCAR demographic.

So why would it make any sense to think blackie from the jungles of Africa can't assimilate into our culture and can't do the same as we do?

The fact that genes influence behavior (To a degree) and the possibility that cumulative behavior stemming from them opens up a large can of worms, but the possibility shouldn't be discounted simply because it's distasteful or goes against the orthodox, mainstream view of race.

There are well-documented (Not touching upon genetic variability) physical differences between "races" which go a bit deeper than skin color. I put races in "" because without elaboration it's impossible to truly specify races which seem to blend across Eurasia in the form of a color spectrum. In this case I'm referring to the opposite ends of the spectrum, like sub-Saharan Africa, China, and Europe.

Many make the assertion for it to be impossible because it opens up said can of worms, which doesn't jive well with me, and the many scientists who've had to pause their research because of socio-political issues, or overt pressure.

All that being said...as for your example, I've lost a bit of my train of thought, but it included this:

http://www.amren.com/color.pdf

It's not unfathomable that genes play a part. Despite the conclusion some of the really rabid anti-racists jump to in regards to this statement, it's not meant to say that aggressive tendencies are somehow greater and uniformly distributed among blacks. It can mean simply that there is a greater percentage of criminals among blacks than there is among whites, in the same way that variation in intelligence is striking whites, with more geniuses as well unfortunates than most other 'races,' even though this isn't brought up in the average "Oh my co-worker is white and he's really dumb" straw man.

The most glaring of differences between white trash and 'normal' whites would be the poverty the former lives in. Yet poverty strongly correlating with crime is not nearly as prominent in poor white trash communities as they are in black communities. Why? Simple racism creating a mass psychological urge to lash out, or genes, or a combination of both?

Your example/question about assimilating a group of people from a race outside of the 'native' race of a culture seems completely reasonable. But it hasn't happened or hasn't happened fully, either because the group is being prevented from assimilating, or is incapable of doing so, or simply does not want to. This doesn't apply to individuals but to the group, and the 'incapable' has yet to be discounted and shouldn't be removed as a factor in assimilation until it properly is.

 

[Tyrant]

Or it proves Messenger's point that anything not aggressively multiculturalist will be labeled racism.

Since multiculturalism is de facto multiracialism it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. But it does illustrate how aggressive it can be at times. Racist toddlers, for Pete's sake.

 

[The Question]

Which is stupidly racist in itself. The idea that culture and genetics are linked is the basis of most racist attitudes.

It also happens to be absolutely, 100% correct. Human beings are pack animals, and most human beings are visually-oriented. They form packs with those who: 1. Visually resemble them, and 2. are geographically close to them.

Seems strange to be required to state the obvious, but obviously you needed it stated.

 

[headvoid]

TQ, you are so wrong it's untrue. I suggest you live in Europe for a while to open your mind. There you have people who look exactly the same, even have similar cultures, but language, perception and sometimes a border line keep them apart. (and keep them from tearing each other apart)

And how about Albanians? Everyone hates them, but you can only spot them when they speak or steal something.

Human Beings are pack animals and are visually driven, plus look for strong facial characteristics to form their groups. But that rather pointless statement excludes all other factors. This is a non sequiter.

I'm also confused why Multiculturalism is Multiracism. GTC is the only American here who seems to be thinking outside their own borders - oh, that's because he isn't American.

Edit - on another note, this is excellent trolling material

 

[Cranky Bastard]

TQ, you are so wrong it's untrue. I suggest you live in Europe for a while to open your mind. There you have people who look exactly the same, even have similar cultures, but language, perception and sometimes a border line keep them apart. (and keep them from tearing each other apart)

And how about Albanians? Everyone hates them, but you can only spot them when they speak or steal something.

Human Beings are pack animals and are visually driven, plus look for strong facial characteristics to form their groups. But that rather pointless statement excludes all other factors. This is a non sequiter.

I'm also confused why Multiculturalism is Multiracism. GTC is the only American here who seems to be thinking outside their own borders - oh, that's because he isn't American.

Edit - on another note, this is excellent trolling material

As if America is all one, blind, monochrome race. :roll:

I don't think any country matches America for the true melting pot-mixture of races and cultures. Europe? Don't make me laugh. Europe can't even assimilate their muslims. American muslims don't seem to have the problems European ones do.

 

[Tyrant]

Spoiler

 

[The Question]

Human Beings are pack animals and are visually driven, plus look for strong facial characteristics to form their groups. But that rather pointless statement excludes all other factors.

It isn't meant to be so broad as to include all other factors. The fact that it isn't a catch-all explanation for everything doesn't make it untrue, however, and in fact you agreed with it. I don't get what you were even objecting to.

I'm also confused why Multiculturalism is Multiracism.

No, you're not. You can't possibly be, because you're not stupid. And as far as "thinking outside my borders" -- I don't live outside my borders. Nothing outside my borders is anything I'm interested in until or unless it affects people living within my borders. We call that policy "minding our own business."

 

[Grandtheftcow]

Your example/question about assimilating a group of people from a race outside of the 'native' race of a culture seems completely reasonable. But it hasn't happened or hasn't happened fully, either because the group is being prevented from assimilating, or is incapable of doing so, or simply does not want to. This doesn't apply to individuals but to the group, and the 'incapable' has yet to be discounted and shouldn't be removed as a factor in assimilation until it properly is.

WTF?

Historical examples of of cultural assimilation would be large cities that were part of ancient trade routes, such as Cairo, Beirut, and Constantinople. There's a boatload of Pacific islands that were converted by Christian missionaries, though not the most pleasant example during the colonial days. And Christ just look at Hawaii.

It also happens to be absolutely, 100% correct. Human beings are pack animals, and most human beings are visually-oriented. They form packs with those who: 1. Visually resemble them, and 2. are geographically close to them.

Seems strange to be required to state the obvious, but obviously you needed it stated.

No wonder Americans think Canada is some hippy dreamland.

Most people up here couldn't care less about race because there's such a mix of ethnic groups it doesn't really matter. Your silly comparison to wolfpacks doesn't fit in with reality over here.

And as far as "thinking outside my borders" -- I don't live outside my borders. Nothing outside my borders is anything I'm interested in until or unless it affects people living within my borders. We call that policy "minding our own business."

Typical American ignorance. Is it true most people in America don't even venture outside their home town?

 

[Cranky Bastard]

I've been to over 22 coutries. You?

And Christ just look at Hawaii.

Quite an ignorant statement. Hawaiians are clamoring for special "native" rights and privileges based on ...?

RACE.

 

[Cranky Bastard]

Further, the number of countries means nothing. It is a sophomoric insult not based in practical application.

 

[Tyrant]

WTF?

Historical examples of of cultural assimilation would be large cities that were part of ancient trade routes, such as Cairo, Beirut, and Constantinople. There's a boatload of Pacific islands that were converted by Christian missionaries, though not the most pleasant example during the colonial days. And Christ just look at Hawaii.

Your rhetorical question was confined to sub-Saharan Africans assimilating into a culture whose 'native' race is white European.

Typical American ignorance. Is it true most people in America don't even venture outside their home town?

Why are others concerned with how Americans mind their own darn American business?

 

[Tyrant]

Quite an ignorant statement. Hawaiians are clamoring for special "native" rights and privileges based on ...?

RACE.

Them being granted special native rights in their own homeland isn't something I disagree with. America had little business annexing Hawaii anyway IMHO, but that's obviously beside the point - they view their race in addition to their culture as being tied to their inhabiting the island. If they were white, they'd need a bit of re-education.

 

[Cranky Bastard]

Why are others concerned with how Americans mind their own darn American business?

Any excuse to impugn and blame...

 

[Cranky Bastard]

Them being granted special native rights in their own homeland isn't something I disagree with. America had little business annexing Hawaii anyway IMHO, but that's obviously beside the point - they view their race in addition to their culture as being tied to their inhabiting the island. If they were white, they'd need a bit of re-education.

Whether it is disagreeable or not was besides the point. The Hawaiians were being used as an example of perfect assimilation when it is obviously not the case.

 

[Tyrant]

Whether it is disagreeable or not was besides the point. The Hawaiians were being used as an example of perfect assimilation when it is obviously not the case.

Oh perfect assimilation doesn't seem possible, but I think GTC was touching upon the question as to why it should stem from genes. Them not being accepted, or not desiring to assimilate as in that example, seems more like feedback from the superficial differences and the knowledge that they are alien to the assimilating culture, rather than a direct correlative.

 

[Cranky Bastard]

Oh perfect assimilation doesn't seem possible, but I think GTC was touching upon the question as to why it should stem from genes.

He was referring to this when he used the hawaiians as the example:

Your example/question about assimilating a group of people from a race outside of the 'native' race of a culture seems completely reasonable. But it hasn't happened or hasn't happened fully, either because the group is being prevented from assimilating, or is incapable of doing so, or simply does not want to

So that wasn't touching on the genetic issue and thus neither was my commentary.