Yub and FBI play Pat-a-cake over the use of Torrents
Fuddlemiff
Is this real life?
Is there a button that sends it back to Lonaf where all this bickering belongs?
Gagh
Χριστόφορος
I've dabbled with Electronic pilfering, but I just feel like a criminal whenever I do it. As a result, I haven't downloaded anything illegally for well over a year. I prefer to own my shit outright.
Regardless of the fact that it's in digital format, I still feel like I'm stealing, yet at the same time I don't judge those who do. It's up to them if they prefer to risk it - either way I'm not going to chew anyone out for what is essentially now a way of life these days.
I'm also not going to start to tell other people how to raise their children or set an example to them. I think I have a good idea of what sort of father I'd be, and how I'd go about presenting various issues of morality to them, but the short fact is, I wouldn't have a clue how I'd go about it until such time I become a father.
Regardless of the fact that it's in digital format, I still feel like I'm stealing, yet at the same time I don't judge those who do. It's up to them if they prefer to risk it - either way I'm not going to chew anyone out for what is essentially now a way of life these days.
I'm also not going to start to tell other people how to raise their children or set an example to them. I think I have a good idea of what sort of father I'd be, and how I'd go about presenting various issues of morality to them, but the short fact is, I wouldn't have a clue how I'd go about it until such time I become a father.
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Folces Weard
This board is run by Hitlers.
Yub
Anachrophobic
Again, nonsense. That's like saying you shouldn't fight for something you believe in because you might get hurt or die. No one would ever become a fireman, policeman or serve in the military with that viewpoint, not to mention civil disobedience for a just cause.
These examples are obviously the higher end of the scale, but the point is valid.
Gagh
Χριστόφορος
Is moving a handful of mildly argumentative posts out of a thread where it was becoming off-topic really akin to incinerating millions of Jews?
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Folces Weard
^Um, yeah? Pretty much.
You're a spoiled child who wants to watch his favorite TV show for free and is inventing ex post facto arguments to justify the fact that he does so. Civil disobedience would involve actually taking a case to court; what you're doing is, at best, bootlegging.
It's laughably self-righteous and incredibly insulting to people who have actually struggled for freedom to claim otherwise.
You're a spoiled child who wants to watch his favorite TV show for free and is inventing ex post facto arguments to justify the fact that he does so. Civil disobedience would involve actually taking a case to court; what you're doing is, at best, bootlegging.
It's laughably self-righteous and incredibly insulting to people who have actually struggled for freedom to claim otherwise.
Yub
Anachrophobic
Did you skip the part where I said I actually bought the majority of what I download? You must have. Silly me.
I did not claim I was engaging in civil disobedience, only that the mindset of "leave it alone or you'll get hurt" is one that would prevent people from fighting for what they believed in.
Read the thread, not just the juicy bits.
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Folces Weard
Passive-aggressively disobeying a rule one don't like for personal gain is pretty much the definition of acting like a spoiled child.
HTH.
HTH.
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ZOMG PWNED!!!!11
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
What the fuck is this thread.
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Folces Weard
I dunno.
Good contribution to it, though!
Good contribution to it, though!
The Tomtrek
Love Wookiee
Hey thanks for your support. 
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Ilyanna
moral imperfection
Bitch, please
As for the torrenting stuff. I am really indecisive about this. OTOH, I've grown up at a time when it was completely ok to copy music from vinyl and radio to tape. In fact, there were times when 90% of my music was obtained like that. While illegal technically, I don't remember ever having heard a discussion about how that would ruin the music industry and stuff, so I've never developed any sense of wrongness reg that.
OTOH, I am currently witnessing the slow but presumably unstoppable economical ruin of a DVD rental owned by a friend of mine partly due to the torrenting culture and easy accessibility of movies via internet. The impact of illegal downloads is very high, maybe not so much for the big distribution companies as they try to convey, but certainly so for the small businesses that make a living out of renting and selling the stuff.
The simple fact that a law says it's illegal is quite irrelevant for me. I don't blindly follow every law we have in Germany. Of course, I don't have children, so I don't have to set an example either.
I've once watched the horrified reaction of a friend's kids when they realized that their dad had done something the law deemed illegal. They were clearly emotionally torn between wanting to believe his assertions that it was ok and having learnt in school (or wherever) that it was wrong. I think I would want to spare my kids this kind of inner conflict as much as possible. But I also think this is a moot point as long as the children are too young to even comprehend the way the stuff was obtained, let alone have grown an understanding of 'lllegality'.
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Folces Weard
I pirate about 3/4 of my music, FWIW.
use a better example next time, we all know moving posts is worse than killing joo's
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