HeroicFool Indefinitely Suspended...

[EnglishRose]

damn I keep forgetting - HF = Big bad...sorry I'll try and remember

 

[chipper730]

My rep went to hell a long time ago sweetie

I haven't noticed.

And no, HF, there have been no such experiences in my life.

 

[HeroicFool]

Except maybe that Chip n' Dale song.

 

[chipper730]

At least it's not Teletubbies.

 

[Captain Jack]

At least it's not Teletubbies.

Nevermind...too easy.

 

[chipper730]

And no, that doesn't mean I know it!

 

[chipper730]

Nor shall we discuss the sexuality of the purple one.

 

[Captain Jack]

HF, why won't you copy and paste your explanation and just email them? They'll never clear you otherwise.

 

[chipper730]

Pride.

 

[Captain Jack]

Pride.

Yep.

 

[Captain Jack]

But it is HF's pride that his now hurting his credibility. EI'ers are notorious debators and speculators to the point where they will wear a subject down to dust. The longer HF holds out on emailing the staff, the more doubt the staff and the membership will have as to his motives. And nothing can be done at all when that happens.

 

[HeroicFool]

I also am a notorious debator and I can answer them post for post ad infinitum if needs be.

I've been on vacation since HF was suspended, and I forgot to take along the SL password, so I have no idea what's been discussed in there since July 1. I was privy to some of the preliminary discussions concerning his dual.

If only I had been this would be a moot discussion.

Here's the staff's dilemma. It goes beyond simply being absolutely consistent in how we treat those who create dual accounts, something clearly spelled out in the latest guidelines. It goes to setting ourselves up for not being able to protect the board from duals at all. If we had contacted HF and let him explain that he just forgot his password, he would have told us that was the problem and all would be fine, many say. Yet he has a new email address we can't verify as being his, and he has never behaved as one might expect someone who has been away a long time and can't log in to behave.

How would you have me act, pray tell? As you pointed out sending an e-mail to an admin with a hotmail address that does not match my EI account would have been fruitless. Anyone paranoid enough to think I was going to run amok with a dual is paranoid enough to think that it might not be me sending the e-mail to thew admins.

Say I forget my password and even my user name. Maybe I'm eager to get back on and don't use proper procedures. But the whole point of creating that new account has to be because I want to post. I'd beon in a flash, saying. "Hi guys this is HF back from a long exile and I forgot my password, so I'm now calling myself Duncan. How is everyone." Yet Duncan never posts at all and soon HF's memory of his password returns.

Duncan was never approved to post. It took so long to get approval that I was forced to try and try again to enter different passwords for my own account. IF I had been given the opportunity to post I would have informed people straight off that I was HF. I do not hide behind duals, not only do I have too much pride to do so, but my posting style is rather unique, or so I have been told.

Maybe the staff has become paranoid, but wouldn't this strike you as suspicious?

Nope. It would strike me so if the staff had allowed Duncan to post and I said nothing of my true identity. Then you'd have a case for malicious intent. Staff paranoia never let it get that far.

Wouldn't you further fear that this might be a new way to create dual accounts, because as long as someone had previously had an account and password here, the tendency would be to accept the "OOps I forgot" excuse from a well known former member should the dual be discovered.

I never tried to hide my identity. If I had tried to use a proxy and an e-mail that gave no clue as to who I was then once again maybe you would have a valid point. As it stands, you do not.

That was the original red flag. I'm sure that Orph's researches uncovered far more reasons to be concerned before the suspension was issued. And if HF refuses to communicate directly and privately with the staff

I am communicating as directly as I can. Admit it, it's the public part of this that really chaps your ass. That would not be an issue if the staff had made a private inquiry of me to begin with. If they didn't want to start things out privately instead of posting it to the board as if I were a criminal then why should I not return that favor?

--even if it was a lapse of ettiquette perhaps not to contact him first, then there is no way to resolve the issue. And that leads me to believe that whoever created the Duncan dual doesn't want it to be resolved and is acting out of malicious motivations.

Cardie

My only malice is only for your stupid little game that you're playing over there at EI. I get pissed off and toss off names when people are so infuriating, but that doesn't mean I hate the people I'm bitching at...

It just means I am pissed.

 

[HeroicFool]

Now as to my personal feligns towards him. HF was using as a signature a posting I made about him. I was not misquoted. Nor has this changed how I feel towards him.

You really need to stop typing with your dick G-man... It helps get the letters in the right order.

I think you mean that your feelings toward me have not changed. I really don't care. The fact of the matter is that your offense in wishing ill to myself and Pippa is much more egregious than my non-offense. If this had not been mentioned in public by Orpheus no one would have ever even known of it.

This just occurred to me. Why didn't HF, as soon as he remembered his PW, contact one of the admins by PM or even by posting a thread? He could have said something like "By the way, when I couldn't remember my PW I started another account with Duncan as my user name. You can go ahead and close that now." Had he done something like that even he might never have gotten suspended.

Why bother? I never intended to use the other account after I was able to post with my own name. I never tried to log into Duncan after I began posting as myself. I guess I just don't see this as the cardinal sin that you all seem to. This is not a big deal, but it has been blown up to seem like it is.

Why for god's sake?

I had no idea that Orph had sicced his bloodhounds on me and that I was being monitored for nefarious deeds. Once again, a single PM could have set that straight and saved Orpheus and everyone else alot of trouble.

1. If he'd followed the instructions on the first page you get when not logged in, and e-mailed the admins for his password and mentioned his change in e-mail.

I am getting so tired of repeating myself.

Without the e-mail address attached to my EI account why in the world would they believe it was actually me? Not someone trying to fraudulantly gain access to my account?

2. He could have 'fessed up after that and they wouldn't have suspended him, they would likely have simply deleted the dual.

Fess up to what? Porn spamming the board under an alternate name? No... I didn't DO anything. The dual account never saw the light of day and I was willing to let it remain as such forever. Why bother informing anyone about it? That's just a waste of my time and theirs.

He posted for days after getting back in though. If he had done what I said immediatley upon remembering his PW he potentially could have avoided the staff wasting their time investigating the possible dual and he getting suspended.

That blade cuts both ways. If the staff had contacted me before banning me, it would have saved them all that work and a hell of alot of headache.

 

[Captain Jack]

Well, looks like another one has been lost...

 

[Gonad]

Originally Posted by Anistashia
This just occurred to me. Why didn't HF, as soon as he remembered his PW, contact one of the admins by PM or even by posting a thread? He could have said something like "By the way, when I couldn't remember my PW I started another account with Duncan as my user name. You can go ahead and close that now." Had he done something like that even he might never have gotten suspended.

That didn't work very well for BDM. When Darthsikle was IP banned, BDM was effectively IP banned as well (they access the same computers). He posted several times about this, and about how he had to go find a proxy so he could get into EI. Until his account was banned for using unapproved proxies.

 

[HeroicFool]

Spidey, because of the many duals we found planted among the member rolls when Orpheus took over upgrading board security, we decided to make having a dual account a suspendable offense in and of itself. It's announced everywhere a new registrant could possibly look. One could argue that "banking" accounts so that one can stay on the board after being suspended or can role-play by pretending to be three different people who argue with each other is harmless. We concluded otherwise. The staff decided that we would not have duals here. This proposal was ratified by the membership. We are not required to prove malicious intent. And there are furthermore too many suspicious circumstances about this dual to enable me to accept the excuse that's been given for creating it.

Then you don't know me at all. I never bank duals or argue with myself. That would be extremely boring.

I much prefer arguing with oppressive staff.

I would like to clarify one or two points:

All accounts undergo some quick checks before approval. The Duncan account was not approved, so HF *couldn't* (e.g.) post with it if he wanted to. He did, however, log in in the days following his application, and used the limited functionality available while awaiting authorization-- e.g. 2049 EDT Thursday, June 21, to cite a specific example.

So what? I can't log in to see if the thing has been approved every now and then? I never logged in after I gained access to my HF account. Does that not mean anything to you?

It is precisely because of this preliminary check that we post, very prominently, that attempting to register a dual is considered a very serious offense. We obviously won't catch every dual up front, but we obviously aren't going to approve the duals we do catch. If the attempt weren't an offense, people might feel free to repeatedly *try* to break the rule, and just shrug and argue "You can't do anything to me, because I didn't succeed" if caught by the preliminary screening. IMHO, he "registered" within the intent of the rule.

Yes.. you get "downright testy" about it. I can see where someone might construe that to mean your ass will be banned immediately. BTW your opinion doesn't mean squat my man...

As I stated earlier, warnings were posted on three pages which he viewed: in bold near the top of the guest main page (which he read for 1 min 18 secs at 2359 EDT, Tuesday, June 19), near the top of the Terms of Registration (which he read at 2316 EDT, Tuesday, June 19 -- and which require the applicant to check a box reading "I have read, understood and agree to these rules and conditions" before proceeding) and on *multiple places on the Guidelines page (which he specifically viewed by clicking the link at the top of the page on his own initiative at 2303 EDT Tuesday, June 19)

In other words the yadda yadda page... How many people honestly read that shit? I click the fucking button and move on every time. Like I said before it doesn't matter if I knew what I was doing was against the rules or not. It's a straw man that you never fail to toss out there.

I consider that rule, and its stated consequences, to be quite clear and prominently posted. Rov won't give me the budget for singing telegrams.

I don't care if it's tattooed on everyone's forhead.

I did the only thing that I had available to me to do that actually had a chance of success. I had no idea that you people had closed the gates to EI shut since I was last here. I thought it would be an automatic thing, as it is with most board, to be able to post as soon as I confirmed my e-mail address. At the very least I wanted to be able to search a few topics, change the color scheme to a somewhat bearable darker color and maybe say hello to a few people.

Some stiff necked fuckers felt it necessary to build a case against me without my knowledge for that.

I don't feel ashamed of my actions, you on the other hand, should.

 

[Captain Jack]

So much for any compassion from the staff, or some members for that matter. Oh man, how I miss the early days...

 

[Godeskian]

Apols for the delay, I'm still nursing a cold.

You could be a dual just pretending, not hard to do in a place like this. Hmmmmm

Hence the reason I specifically asked Cait to allow me to use this userid. Exactly to avoid more 'dual' accusations.

If you want to consider 'nitwit' expletive and foul-mouthed go ahead little fella, knock yourself out.

No, I consider it snippy, not profane. There is a difference

I think the same about you here as I do there.

Thanks, I think.

 

[Godeskian]

Gode, please explain how an e-mail can be sent in "error".

The same way any accident happens. An event occurs, people react, sometimes they react right, and sometimes not. You can sit here and play conspiracy theories all day, but reality is far simpler than all that.

 

[Godeskian]

I don't feel ashamed of my actions, you on the other hand, should.

Funny thing is, despite the fact that you are responding to every post here, the amount of people seeing your posts here is absolutely minimal. So while I salute your stubborness, i'm not convinced you're doing yourself any favors.

I'll ask one more time, and then I am probably going to stop. Please email the site. You've said repeatedly that the Staff should contact you, well other than my posting here it's not likely to happen.

So I'm asking you, please email the admin account/