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IF VA TECH HADN'T OUTLAWED GUNS ON CAMPUS

Tyrant said:
They are also citizens. It's more and more painfully obvious that the purpose of the police is to protect the state and keep general order. Protecting the citizenry doesn't seem to be high on the list.

I can completely expect an engineering professor to be capable of having a firearm at his disposal and being prepared to use it if necessary.

What would have helped society in this case would be if guns were kept under a strict lock and key and accessible to responsible individuals.

But we're more worried about lawsuits than blood.
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Professors are hired for their expertise and teaching. It would be misguided to expect them to also be in charge of secuirty for their classrooms. That in fact would be a distraction, diminishing their real value to their students.

If security is a concern, the school should post sufficient security guards.
 
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Alex Buchet said:
Professors are hired for their expertise and teaching. It would be misguided to expect them to also be in charge of secuirty for their classrooms.
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No one said they would be in charge of secuirty. Merely that they as responsible citizens would be able to blow what little brains an attacking nut would have out of them. Professors have a right to safety as well.
That in fact would be a distraction, diminishing their real value to their students.
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Doesn't mean shit.
If security is a concern, the school should post sufficient security guards.
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"If." Ha.
 
Alex Buchet said:
The teachers are academics, though, not police. You can't expect some engineering professor to also be capable of carrying a firearm in class and prepared to use it if necessary. The potential liability fir the school and individuals would be enormous.
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Why not? I don't agree about the liability either. A loaded firearm ashould be available somewhere in a public building and someone should know how to use it for JUST such an eventuality. That Holocaust survivor that you posted about in another thread? If he had a loaded gun would we be reading all this stuff even?

Psychos have access to guns. We have to admit that and deal with it accordingly.
 
Thank god. Don Imus is now out of the news. Now we only need another tragedy, because I don't care about VT either. Next!
 
Alex Buchet said:
Well, I took Techman's post to be a categorical rejection of gun control, implying that if the general population had been allowed to be armed on campus, the incident would have been less severe.
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And I would be right.
 
^^Drunken date-raping frat boys
PMS-ing feminazis
Trenchcoat goth milquetoasts
all packing to the gills.
What could possibly go wrong?
 
Shitty Dual said:
^^Drunken date-raping frat boys
PMS-ing feminazis
Trenchcoat goth milquetoasts
all packing to the gills.
What could possibly go wrong?
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Well, in the first place, none of that crap would exist.
 
The debate is moot. The VT "massacre" is a hoax. Clearly a clever way to get out of finals. Some pull the fire alarm, others stage a mass murder.
 
Gun Control will not control the actions of a determined crazy person. If he/she can't get or make a gun, he'll find another way....

A suicide bomber and a car bomb killed at least 70 people and wounded 170 more at entrances to a once-prestigious university in Baghdad.
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I think it's a little bit of 'this side' and a little bit of 'that side,' frankly. I do believe that there needs to be more stringent controls on who can get hold of guns. I really think that walking into a store with nothing but a driving licence is too lax. It should be harder to get hold of weapons.

Do I think that will somehow miraculously solve the problem? - Of course not.

There is no one fix. But that doesn't mean that you ignore things that might at least help with an eventual solution.


There are points on both sides. There needs to be better early detection of lunatics, sure. Don't think anyone is denying that. These people always have some issues that manifest long before they start blowing people away. So yeah, that needs to be dealt with. But last I heard your mental health isn't printed on your driving licence and there should be very strict controls on who can waltz into a store and get strapped.


But out of all the points made the most wilfuly stupid one is arming everybody as if that's a fucking solution. - How thick are some of you anyway?

We're acting like all students are responsible and mature enough to carry weapons except for the extreme guy who kill 32 people and then themselves.

How many petty disputes and fights occur on campus? Lets bring an arsenal of weapons into the equation. :roll:

I know! Let's arm all these students at a point in their life when they're not making some of the most logical choices of their lives.

Not a solution. Not close to one.

Jeez..
 
Absolutely. And people are completely willing to forget that the issue of crazies acting as random variables screw up any absolutes they wish to put forward. Guns or not, etc.

Using these crazies as examples doesn't really put forward any POVs.
 
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