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Star Trek 12 news/countdown thread

The more I think about the Khan thing the stupider it is. We keep hearing how these movies are supposed to appeal to people who didn't like Star Trek before (and judging by the box office numbers that's true.) So why make the villain a "hey, remember how awesome this guy was in Wrath Of Khan?" reference? What does that do for the new fans? They don't care that he's Khan. They're probably just wondering what all that stuff about him being frozen for three hundred years was about. And for PROPER TREKKIES LIKE US it's just annoying that he was such a half-ass Khan who didn't resemble (either physically or character wise) the original much. Just seems like a bad idea all round!

And after all that talk about how Khan MUST STAND TRIAL FOR HIS CRIMES the movie ends with him frozen in his pod again, apparenlty having not stood trial for his crimes.
 
It's just lazy writing.

Saying "IT'S KHAN" means that you have set up the villain as being super-intelligent and powerful without actually having to have him do anything super-intelligent and powerful. The fans will know it because they've watched Wrath of Khan, and the non-fans will know it because it means they can wheel out Leonard Nimoy to say "Yeah he's really bad".
 
Mmm. Sometime last year I said, the only people who will get the reference are the same people who will be annoyed by it. To anyone else it's irrelevant.

I don't know why he couldn't have just been one of Khan's acolytes. It would've worked just as well, and even set up the possibility of an appearance of Khan himself in a later movie.
 
CaptainWacky said:
And after all that talk about how Khan MUST STAND TRIAL FOR HIS CRIMES the movie ends with him frozen in his pod again, apparenlty having not stood trial for his crimes.
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You're making the assumption that Kirk had any say in that. I have a feeling the decision on what to do with Khan went up much higher than him.
 
HERE'S ANOTHER FUCKING THING: the Enterprise is in the Klingon system. It goes to warp. After about twenty seconds in Warp the stupidly named Vengeance shoots it out of warp (WHICH I HAVE SAID BEFORE LOOKED COOL I'M NOT JUST BEING NEGATIVE FOR THE SAKE OF IT.) The Enterprise comes out of warp and it's at Earth. So you can warp from Kronos to Earth in twenty seconds? That's going to make the war with the Klingons interesting...

(YES I know warps speeds have been inconsistent throughout the tv shows and movies and yes in First Contact the Enterprise seems to get from the Neutral Zone to Earth really quickly but that doesn't mean this isn't silly too.)
 
CaptainWacky said:
HERE'S ANOTHER FUCKING THING: the Enterprise is in the Klingon system. It goes to warp. After about twenty seconds in Warp the stupidly named Vengeance shoots it out of warp (WHICH I HAVE SAID BEFORE LOOKED COOL I'M NOT JUST BEING NEGATIVE FOR THE SAKE OF IT.) The Enterprise comes out of warp and it's at Earth. So you can warp from Kronos to Earth in twenty seconds? That's going to make the war with the Klingons interesting...

(YES I know warps speeds have been inconsistent throughout the tv shows and movies and yes in First Contact the Enterprise seems to get from the Neutral Zone to Earth really quickly but that doesn't mean this isn't silly too.)
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It was already established in the pilot for Enterprise that Qo'Nos is basically right on top of Earth! Broken Bow gives a travel time to Qo'Nos of 4 days at warp 5, which means that Qo'Nos is less than 1.5 light years away from Earth.

Not a continuity error.
 
Why is Alice Eve in her underwear, gratuitously and unnecessarily, without any real effort made as to why in God's name she would undress in that circumstance? Well there's a very good answer for that. But I'm not telling you what it is. Because... uh... MYSTERY?
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Actual Damon Lindelof quote from actual Damon Lindelof.

And when you can get that monologue to come out of Benedict Cumberbatch's mouth, does the "writing" even matter? I mean, seriously, I made that guy say "Milk, milk lemonade, and this is where the fudge is made" and it scared the living sh*t out of me.
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Actual Damon Lindelof quote from actual Damon Lindelof.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/17...iler-special-burning-questions-answered.jhtml

(His answers are really annoying and jokey.)
 
He has the annoying quality of making every project he's involved in both nonsensical and lucrative. And Hollywood just doesn't care about sensical.
 
In addition to nuSarek, Ben Cross COULD also play nuRomulan Commander (from BoT) and nuKlingon Captain of the Amar (TMP) in the Abramsverse.
 
SAUSAGEMAN said:
It was already established in the pilot for Enterprise that Qo'Nos is basically right on top of Earth! Broken Bow gives a travel time to Qo'Nos of 4 days at warp 5, which means that Qo'Nos is less than 1.5 light years away from Earth.

Not a continuity error.
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Actually in the pilot, the ENT had Warp 4.5 capability; they had warp 4 when they were docked at the beginning of the ep, and Trip promised to get it up to 4.5 by "Tuesday" or whatever. I just watched this ep (well the first half of it) a few days ago, for some random reason...did Trip get it up to 5 in the 2nd hour?
 
Well let me try and rationalise it.

The enterprise was on route to earth from Kronos, travelling at presumably their top speed, as the vengeance approached Sulu said he was seeing some strange readings in the warp field, the type he had never seen before.

Since the vengeance was travelling at transwarp, and had more powerful engines, and presumably a bigger warp field, as it pulled alongside the enterprise, then both ships would be inside the transwarp field of the vengeance, and both be travelling at her speed, thus arriving at earth much sooner than anticipated.

Also no other starships came to help because every other ship lost their captain and first officer in Khaaaaaaaaaaaaaaanns attack, so starfleet was probably franticly putting people through the Kobiashi Maru simulator to train up new captains, as presumably none of their dead captains had told some reckless rule breaker they were in charge if anything should happen to them.
 
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