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jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Show me this "viral load" evidence, because I've never seen it. and btw, HIV doesn't "do" anything in the blood. It has nothing to do with WBC antiproliferation at all. One document besides the bullshit is all I've been asking. All your giving me is rehashed Fauci rhetoric.

He's a fraud.
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Next you'll be saying HIV hides in the cell and then replicates.
 

SuN

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R u deliberately being incoherent?

One document besides the bullshit is all I've been asking

No u havn't, u have just been posting random points of y HIV doesnt turn into AIDS and how HIV is a conspiracy; I have no interest in arguring this, as I have no idea about HIV conspiracy's.
I simply find them entertaining at best; which is y I asked u for ur lil conspiracy info'z....

I posted info on HIV complications such as HIV Dementia and HIV testing practices.
There is a difference between these and consipiracy theorys.

Viral load isnt a 'theory' its a test measurement.

You can say its bullshit as much as u want, but it remains the best testing practice across the globe as of 2010 and will continue to be untill a better one is developed.

"The HIV PCR test is one the most accurate diagnostic tools in use to detect the presence of the human immunodeficiency virus in the blood, more commonly known as HIV. Aside from being considered more reliable in terms of accuracy than most other tests, the HIV PCR test is also one of the few screening procedures that can be used for early detection. In fact, it can successfully pinpoint the virus in as little as three weeks after infection has occurred. However, a false-negative reading may be returned if the test is performed less than five days after infection is suspected."

"These tests have been approved by the Food and Drug Administration in the United States for use in monitoring the health of people with HIV, in conjunction with other markers. Higher numbers in the viral load tests indicate an increased risk of getting sick from opportunistic diseases. These tests are also approved for monitoring the effects of anti-HIV therapy, to track viral suppression and detect treatment failure. Successful combination antiretroviral therapy should give a fall in viral load of 1.5 to 2 logs (30-100 fold) within six weeks, with the viral load falling below the limit of detection within four to six months.
The results of these tests are usually given as number of HIV RNA copies per milliliter (ml) of blood. The PCR test may give the number of HIV RNA copies per 0.05 mL, so one would multiply the result by 20 to get the standard result."
 

SuN

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:yes: Seph: can we make babies?

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jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Sorry SuN, the HIV PCR test has already been proven as completely unreliable, and the fact that it's an "FDA aprroved" test means absolutely nothing.

Far as I can tell this discussion is over. Anyone that thinks that HIV=AIDS is certainly entitled to their opinion, just don't go cramming AZT down their throats as the treatment, is all I'm saying.
 

SuN

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That last sentence of urs is the only thing that presents ur views.
Nice job Jax ;)
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
HIV is a virus that fucks CD4 cells. Kthnx

Wrong :D Not a shred of proof to back up that statement ANYWHERE.
 

SuN

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lulz...so all the bitchin is over mah c+p spamshit- u bunch of retarded pussy's!
Loktarcuntgoose, I never present spam as 'my own views' u wanna be blueblood mongrel....maybe try reading my spam dix.
 

SuN

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HIV is a virus that fucks CD4 cells. Kthnx

Wrong :D Not a shred of proof to back up that statement ANYWHERE.

Here u are lil Jax....all about CD4 ;)

CD4 is a co-receptor that assists the T cell receptor (TCR) to activate its T cell following an interaction with an antigen presenting cell. Using its portion that resides inside the T cell, CD4 amplifies the signal generated by the TCR by recruiting an enzyme, known as the tyrosine kinase lck, which is essential for activating many molecules involved in the signaling cascade of an activated T cell. CD4 also interacts directly with MHC class II molecules on the surface of the antigen presenting cell using its extracellular domain.

CD4 is a primary receptor used by HIV-1 to gain entry into host T cells.

HIV-1 attaches to CD4 with a protein in its viral envelope known as gp120. The binding to CD4 creates a shift in the conformation of gp120 allowing HIV-1 to bind to two other surface receptors on the host cell, the chemokine receptors CCR5 or CXCR4, depending on whether HIV is infecting a macrophage or T-helper cell. Following a structural change in another viral protein (gp41), HIV inserts a fusion peptide into the host cell that allows the outer membrane of the virus to fuse with the cell membrane.

HIV infection leads to a progressive reduction in the number of T cells possessing CD4 receptors. Therefore, medical professionals refer to the CD4 count to decide when to begin treatment for HIV-infected patients. Normal blood values are more than 1x109/L.

CD4 tests measure the number of T cells containing the CD4 receptor. Results are usually expressed in the number of cells per microliter (or mm3) of blood. While CD4 tests are not an HIV test in that they do not check the presence of viral DNA, or specific antibodies, they are used to assess the immune system of patients. Patients often undergo treatments when the CD4 count reaches a low point, around 350 cells per microliter. Medical professionals also refer to CD4 tests to determine the efficacy of the treatment.
 

SuN

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Loktar

Pinata Whacker
lulz...so all the bitchin is over mah c+p spamshit- u bunch of retarded pussy's!
Loktarcuntgoose, I never present spam as 'my own views' u wanna be blueblood mongrel....maybe try reading my spam dix.

I read your spam only when I'm out of sleeping pills.

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jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Fauci's spew is bullshit NIH grantwriting.

kthnxbai
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
HIV-1 attaches to CD4 with a protein in its viral envelope known as gp120.

This is so blatantly ignorant, it's astounding. A virus doesn't even work that way, it isn't the mechanism.
 

jack

The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Anyway SuN, we can agree to disagree. If you don't have an opinion, I'll just ignore the copypasta.
 

SuN

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I already gave u my opinion on HIV conspiracy's; its quite different to the spamz.
But thnx anyways
 

SuN

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Human penis size refers to the length and width of human male genitalia. Interest in larger penis sizes has led to an industry devoted to penis enlargement.

When compared to other primates, including large primates such as the gorilla, the male human genitalia are remarkably large. The human penis is both longer and thicker than that of any other primate both in absolute terms and in relative size to the rest of the body.Contrary to popular belief, there is no scientific relation between penis size and race.

To get the most accurate measurements for an individual's penis size, it has been recommended that several measurements be taken at different times, preferably with different erections on different days. The measurements are then to be averaged together. This is to account for what may be natural variability in size due to factors such as arousal level, time of day, room temperature, frequency of sexual activity, and unreliability of the measurement methods.[4][5]
Length

The length can be measured with the subject standing and the penis held parallel to the floor. The penis is measured along the top, from the base to the tip. Results are inaccurate if the measurement is taken along the underside of the penis, or if the subject is seated or prone.[4]
Circumference

Penis girth is the measurement of the circumference of the completely erect penis. It is variously quoted as an average of three measurements: just below the glans penis, in the middle of the shaft, and at the base.[4]
Problems

A penis must be completely erect in order to obtain an accurate measurement. This may be difficult to achieve in a clinical setting. At least one Brazilian doctor resorted to injecting penises with drugs to induce erection, which gave more consistent results.[6] Some clinicians measure the penis by stretching the flaccid penis as far as comfortably possible.[7]
Studies on penis size

While results vary across studies, the consensus is that the mean human penis is approximately 12.9–15 cm (5.1–5.9 in) in length with a 95% confidence interval of (10.7 cm, 19.1 cm) (or, equivalently, 4.23 in, 7.53 in).[8][9][10] The typical girth or circumference is approximately 12.3 cm (4.85 in) when fully erect. The mean penis size is slightly greater than the median size.
Size at birth
Frequency graph of LifeStyles length data.
Percentile plot of LifeStyles length data.
Frequency plot of LifeStyles circumference data.
Percentile plot of LifeStyles circumference data.

The average stretched penile length at birth is about 4 cm (1.6 in), and 90% of newborn boys will be between 2.4 and 5.5 cm (0.9 and 2.2 in). Limited growth of the penis occurs between birth and 5 years of age, but very little occurs between 5 years and the onset of puberty. The average size at the beginning of puberty is 6 cm (2.4 in) with adult size reached about 5 years later. W.A. Schonfeld published a penis growth curve in 1943.[11]
Size with aging

Authors of a paper reviewing research on area of penis sizes conclude that "flaccid penile length is just under 4 cm at birth and changes very little until puberty, when there is marked growth."[12]

Age is not believed to negatively correlate with penis size. “Individual research studies have… suggested that penis size is smaller in studies focusing on older men, but Wylie and Eardley found no overall differences when they collated the results of various studies [over a 60 year period].”[12]
Erect length

Several scientific studies have been performed on the erect length of the adult penis. Studies which have relied on self-measurement, including those from Internet surveys, consistently reported a higher average length than those which used medical or scientific methods to obtain measurements.[10][13]

The following staff-measured studies are each composed of different subgroups of the human population (i.e. specific age range and/or race; selection of those with sexual medical concerns or self-selection) which could cause a sample bias.[13][14]

* A study published in the September 1996 Journal of Urology concluded that average erect length was 12.9 cm (5.08 in) (measured by staff).[8] The purpose of the study was to “provide guidelines of penile length and circumference to assist in counseling patients considering penile augmentation.” Erection was pharmacologically induced in 80 physically normal American men (varying ethnicity, average age 54). It was concluded: “Neither patient age nor size of the flaccid penis accurately predicted erectile length.”
* A study published in the December 2000 International Journal of Impotence Research found that average erect penis length in 50 Jewish Caucasian males was 13.6 cm (5.35 in) (measured by staff).[9] Quote: "The aim of this prospective study was to identify clinical and engineering parameters of the flaccid penis for prediction of penile size during erection." Erection was pharmacologically induced in 50 Jewish Caucasian patients who had been evaluated for erectile dysfunction (average age 47±14y). Patients with penis abnormalities or whose ED could be attributed to more than one psychological origin were omitted from the study.
* A study conducted by LifeStyles Condoms found an average of 14.9 cm (5.9 in) with a standard deviation of 2.1 cm (0.8 in) (measured by staff).[10] The purpose of this study was to ensure properly sized condoms were available.
* A review published in 2007 issue of BJU Internetional, have shown that average erect penis length is 14–16 cm and its girth is 12–13 cm. This paper compares results of twelve studies conducted on different populations in several countries.[12]
* An Italian study of about 3,300 Italian men concluded that stretched length was measured on average to about 5 inches. In addition, a correlation between weight and height and penis length was also found. However this was done only on 500 men with a small correlation value.[15]

Erect circumference

* The Cancún LifeStyle study, in which the circumference of the shaft was measured at three points (base, mid-shaft, and just below the head) and then averaged, found an average of 12.63 cm (4.972 inches) with a standard deviation of 1.3 cm (0.5 in).[10]

Similar results exist regarding studies of the circumference of the adult fully erect penis, with the measurement taken mid-shaft.[citation needed] As with length, studies that relied on self-measurement consistently reported a significantly higher average than those with staff measuring.
Flaccid length

One study found the mean flaccid penis length to be 3.5 inches (8.9 cm) (measured by staff).[8] A review of several studies have shown average flaccid length to be 9–10 cm.[12] Length of the flaccid penis does not necessarily correspond to length of the erect penis; some smaller flaccid penises can grow much larger, and some larger flaccid penises cannot grow much larger.[16]

The penis and scrotum can contract involuntarily in reaction to cold temperatures or nervousness, referred to by the slang term "shrinkage", due to action by the cremaster muscle. The same issue affects cyclist and exercise bike users, with prolonged pressure on the perineum from the saddle, and the straining of the exercise causing the penis and scrotum to contract involuntarily which is sometimes referred to as "gym balls" or "saddle balls". An incorrect saddle may ultimately cause erectile dysfunction (see crotch pressure for more information).

Penises that are short when flaccid but more average when erect are colloquially known as growers, where those with greater flaccid lengths that increase little when erect are known as showers.

Flaccid penis length is a poor estimate of erect length, a better estimate is stretched length, that is 12–13 cm, as shown in review by Wylie and Erdley.[12]
Penis enlargement surgery
Main article: Penis enlargement

Most men concerned about their penis size and seeking surgical treatment to enlarge their penis overestimate "normal" penis length. All of the patients studied by Mondaini et al seeking surgical treatment had penis size within the normal range.[17]

Surgical techniques used for penis enlargement (enhancement phalloplasty) – penis lengthening and penile widening (girth enhancement) – have been in the urologic literature for many years.[citation needed]

There are two basic ways of enlarging the penis:

1. Penis lengthening surgery[18] involves the release of the fundiform ligament and the suspensory ligament that attaches the 2 erectile bodies to the pubic bone. Once these ligaments have been cut, part of the penile shaft (usually held within the body) drops forward and extends out, enlarging the penis by 2–3 cm.
2. Penis widening with PMMA injection. This method involves injection of silicone, PMMA[19] and other materials into the penis and scrotum to achieve girth enlargement.

According to Kenneth Dover's landmark study "Greek Homosexuality", Greek art had extreme interest in the genitals, but was not obsessed with size.

The weekly Q&A column "The Straight Dope" deduces, based on pornographic Greek art work and Dover's aforementioned study, that in ancient Greece an uncircumcised and small penis was culturally seen as desirable in a man, whereas a bigger or circumcised penis was viewed as comical or grotesque (at least in the high-brow view), usually being found on "fertility gods, half-animal critters such as satyrs, ugly old men, and barbarians."[21]

CBC radio has suggested, based on several sources, that ancient Romans had a viewpoint contrary to that of the Greeks.[20] This was also the case in medieval Arabic literature, where a longer penis was preferred, as described in an Arabian Nights tale called "Ali with the Large Member". As a witty satire of this fantasy, the 9th century Afro-Arab author Al-Jahiz wrote: "If the length of the penis were a sign of honor, then the mule would belong to the (honorable tribe of) Quraysh".

Modern perceptions and sexual preference

Males may quite easily underestimate the size of their own penis relative to that of others, because of the foreshortening obtained from looking down, or because of the accumulation of fat at the base of the penis.[23] A survey by sexologists showed that many men who believed that their penis was of inadequate size had average-sized penises.[24] Another study found sex education of standard penile measurements to be helpful and relieving for patients concerned about small penis size, most of whom had incorrect beliefs of what is considered medically normal.[25] One source of continued debate is the extent to which women actually prefer certain penis sizes.

A 2005 Internet survey of 52,031 heterosexual men and women found only 55% of participating men were satisfied with their penis size, whereas 85% of participating women said they were "very satisfied" with the size of their partner's penis, and only 6% of women rated their partner as smaller than average.[26] In the same data set, 70% of women expressed dissatisfaction with their breasts, whereas the majority of men (56%) were satisfied with their partner's breasts and only 20% of men wished their partner had larger breasts.[27][28][29]

A study published in BMC Women's Health, surveyed women's preferences concerning penis size and concluded that width rather than length is a more important factor of sexual stimulation.[30]

Similar results were found in a cover story published in Psychology Today,[31][32] which surveyed 1,500 readers (about 2/3 women) about male body image. Many of the women were not particularly concerned with penis size and over 71% thought men overemphasized the importance of penis size and shape. Details were examined among the women with a size preference. Generally women cared more about width than men thought, and less about length. "...the number one reason women preferred a thicker penis was that it was more satisfying during intercourse." It's suggested this is because a wider penis provides more friction to the clitoral area while a longer penis reaches an area less stimulable. The same article comments that there is a strong correlation whereby “Women who rated themselves as more attractive were particularly concerned with larger size. Of women describing themselves as 'much more attractive than average,' 64% cared strongly or moderately about penis width and 54% cared about penis length. Women who rated their own looks as average were about 20 percentage points lower."

Another study, conducted at Groningen University Hospital, asked 375 sexually active women (who had recently given birth) the importance of penis size and concluded: "Although clearly in the minority, a nevertheless considerable percentage of the women respondents attached substantial importance to the size of the male sexual organ".[33]

A study undertaken at Utrecht University found that the majority of homosexual men in the study regarded a large penis as ideal, and having one was linked to self esteem.[34]

The term size queen is slang terminology for a person of either sex who prefers a larger-than-average penis on their sexual partner(s).[35][36]
Popular culture

Widespread private concerns related to penis size have led to a number of folklore sayings and popular culture reflections related to penis size. These include beliefs that it is possible to predict the size of someone's penis by observing other bodily features such as the hands, feet, nose or height, and in some cases so-called "penis panic" - a form of mass hysteria involving the believed removal or shrinking of the penis, known as genital retraction syndrome. Penis size, and sexual anxiety generally, have led to products such as penis pumps, pills, and other dubious means of enlargement becoming some of the most marketed products in spam mail.

The media has equated a man's penis size with both power and masculinity.[37] Furthermore the perception of having a large penis is linked to higher self esteem.[37]

The suggested link between penis size, foot size and height has been investigated by a relatively small number of groups. Two of these studies have suggested a link between penis size and foot size, while the most recent report dismissed these findings.[citation needed] One of the studies suggesting a link relied on the subjects measuring the size of their own penis, which may well be inaccurate. The second study found statistically significant although "weak" correlation between the size of the stretched penis and foot size and height[38] A potential explanation for these observations is that the development of the penis in an embryo is controlled by some of the same Hox genes (in particular HOXA13 and HOXD13)[39] as those that control the development of the limbs. Mutations of some Hox genes that control the growth of limbs cause malformed genitalia (hand–foot–genital syndrome).[40] However the most recent investigation[41] failed to find any evidence for a link between shoe size and stretched penis size.[42] Given the large number of genes which control the development of the human body shape, and the effects of hormones during childhood and adolescence, it would seem unlikely that an accurate prediction of penis size could be made by measuring a different part of the human body.

Other studies correlating the size of the human penis with other factors have given intriguing results. Notably one study analysing the self-reported Kinsey data set found that homosexual men had statistically larger penises than their heterosexual counterparts.[43] One potential explanation given is a difference in the exposure to androgen hormones in the developing embryo. The study author's opinion is that evidence points towards both orientations being equally likely to exaggerate.[44]
Penis size and female genital response

According to some sex researchers and therapists, several misconceptions have developed surrounding penile-vaginal intercourse.[45] Many men exaggerate the importance of deep vaginal penetration in stimulating a woman to orgasm.[who?]

The most sensitive area of the female genitals includes the vulva, clitoris, and the section of vagina closest to the outside of a woman's body, which is roughly 10 centimeters (4 in) in length. Research has found that portions of the clitoris extend into the vulva and vagina.[46] Given that the median penis size is above this length, the majority of penises are likely of sufficient length to fully satisfy their partners.

While many women find penile stimulation of the cervix to be uncomfortable or painful, others report it to be key to orgasm.[citation needed] The cervix may be confused with the anterior or posterior fornix, the deepest point of the vagina, above and below the cervix, respectively.[47] The cervix and fornix are close to each other, making it possible for there to be indirect and/or simultaneous stimulation between them.[48]

The fornix is said to be another possible orgasm trigger area.[49] Tests have shown that pressure on this area causes the vagina to lubricate very quickly.[50] The area of sexual response in the anterior fornix has also been called the epicentre, T-Spot, AFE-Zone, AFE or A-Spot; while in the posterior fornix it has been called epicenter (as well) or cul-de-sac (since the cul-de-sac, also known as the rectouterine pouch, may be indirectly stimulated by pressure on the posterior fornix[48]).

During arousal, the vagina lengthens rapidly to an average of about 10 centimeters (4 in), but can continue to lengthen in response to pressure.[51] As the woman becomes fully aroused, the vagina tents (last 2⁄3 expands in length and width) while the cervix retracts.[52] The walls of the vagina are composed of soft elastic folds of mucous membrane skin which stretch or contract (with support from pelvic muscles) to the size of the penis.[53] This means (with proper arousal) the vagina stretches or contracts to accommodate virtually any size penis, from small to large.[54]
Other variance in penis size
Micropenis
Main article: Micropenis

An adult penis with an erect length of less than 7 cm or just over 2 inches but otherwise formed normally is referred to in a medical context as having the micropenis condition.[55] The condition affects 0.6% men.[56] Some of the identifiable causes are deficiency of pituitary growth hormone and/or gonadotropins, mild degrees of androgen insensitivity, a variety of genetic syndromes, and variations in certain Homeobox genes. Some types of micropenis can be addressed with growth hormone or testosterone treatment in early childhood.

A news post on New Scientist dated December 6, 2004 reads "A new surgical procedure has allowed men with abnormally short penises to enjoy a full sex life and urinate standing up, some for the first time. Tiny "micro-penises" have been enlarged to normal size without losing any erogenous sensation, say UK doctors."[57]
Environmental influence on penis size

It has been suggested that penis size differences between individuals is caused not only by genetics, but also by environmental factors such as culture, diet, chemical/pollution exposure,[58][59][60][61] etc. Endocrine disruptor resulting from chemical exposure has been linked to genital deformation in both sexes (among many other problems). Chemicals from both synthetic (e.g. pesticides, anti-bacterial Triclosan, plasticizers for plastics, etc...) and natural (e.g. chemicals found in tea tree oil and lavender oil[62]) sources have been linked to various degrees of endocrine disruption. Both Polychlorinated biphenylPCBs and the plasticizer DEHP have been associated with smaller penis size.[63][64] DEHP metabolites measured from the blood of pregnant women have been significantly associated with the decreased penis width, shorter anogenital distance, and the incomplete descent of testicles of their newborn sons, replicating effects identified in animals.[65] Approximately 25% of US women have phthalate levels similar to those in the study.[65]
Penis size and condom use

Various studies have examined condom breakage. Ninety-two monogamous heterosexual couples (aged 18 to 40 for women, 18 to 50 for men) were enrolled in a prospective study of Durex Ramses condoms.[66] At each sexual encounter, a diary was completed which included information on condom use, and breaks and slips. In France a random telephone survey[67] of 20,000 individuals drew on 4,500 sexually active people, of whom 731 had used a condom in the previous year and 707 provided information on difficulties of use. In Australia 3,658 condoms were used by 184 men in a study which looked, among other things, at penis size as a factor for breakage or slippage.[68]

Although the most common type of condom, those made of latex, have great ability to stretch, they are vulnerable to dry friction (ie, the dry rubbing motion of sexual activity when there is tight pressure or a lack of smooth lubricated movement) as well as other mistakes of usage.[69] For example, in a separate study[citation needed] of people practicing anal sex, condom breakage was linked more to excessive friction (in this case due to low usage of a sexual lubricant) than to penis size per se.

The rate of condom breakage for correctly used condoms was 1.34% and of slippage 2.05%, with a total failure rate of 3.39%. Penis size did not influence slippage, but penis circumference and broken condoms were strongly correlated, with larger sizes increasing the rate of breakage.
 
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