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What is the allure of marijuana?

proteon said:
This is like watching blind folks wrestle. None of you have a fucking leg to stand on other than alleged studies and links.

I am the only empiricist here apparently. Thus I must be ignored at all costs.

Oh, not at all. Of course, studies are all we really can use, because other than that, it's down to anecdotal evidence. But of that, I've got plenty. In the 2+ years I spent living on the street in Tempe, I'd estimate that 90% of the street rats I met out there were potheads, and of the potheads I've met (on and off the street) 90% of them would forget to take a shit if it weren't for the idea that a toilet bowl would make an excellent bonnnng, maaaaan...
 
I'd estimate that 90% of the street rats I met out there were potheads, and of the potheads I've met (on and off the street) 90% of them would forget to take a shit if except that a toilet bowl would make an excellent bonnnng, maaaaan...

Sterotypical and baseless. I held down a job which required me to look better than god every single day. I think the word is "sharp" I was smoking enough to tranqulize a concrete elephant and I was neither talkin like an idiot nor was I forgetting anything, not one hair out of place and a work ethic ingrained into my psyche. But no puritan is going to tell me not to have a spliff and watch the game when I come home.
 
Mentalist said:
Sterotypical and baseless. I held down a job which required me to look better than god every single day. I think the word is "sharp" I was smoking enough to tranqulize a concrete elephant and I was neither talkin like an idiot nor was I forgetting anything, not one hair out of place and a work ethic ingrained into my psyche. But no puritan is going to tell me not to have a spliff and watch the game when I come home.

Well, Menty, it bears pointing out, then, that you are an exceptional individual. Don't be offended, I know I hate being called exceptional personally.

Anyway, for every guy or girl who can keep their shit together with that stuff, I could march my ass downtown and show you 10 who haven't got a shred of a chance in hell of doing so.
 
The Question said:
Oh, not at all. Of course, studies are all we really can use, because other than that, it's down to anecdotal evidence. But of that, I've got plenty. In the 2+ years I spent living on the street in Tempe, I'd estimate that 90% of the street rats I met out there were potheads, and of the potheads I've met (on and off the street) 90% of them would forget to take a shit if it weren't for the idea that a toilet bowl would make an excellent bonnnng, maaaaan...

Ironically, of all the retards I took care of in the four state run ARC agencies I worked in during college, about 90% of them shit their pants.

Does this mean that everyone who shits their pants should be living in a state run ARC residential environment? Because I'm gathering from what you wrote that you think connected the mannerisms of the down-and-out you associated with to be actual mannerisms of the down-and-out.

Did they ever smile? Did the eat? I'll bet 100% of them ate.
 
All the smokers here seen to be more inrterested in proving that they are "not those other people" than listening to what everyone has to say.


Say! Lets try and prove which religion is the Real one!!

That will be so much more effective.
 
Those same folks were almost certainly going to fuck life up no matter what. Pot wasn't the cause as much as it was a means to an end. I have met many very successful people who have partaked in varying degrees of pot soking here or there. Hell, my mother smokes very occasionally. She was one of the most shit hot copywriters in London. She wrote the ORIGINAL copy for Java and Borland for chri'ssake. The fact that alcohol doesn't have the same stigma saddens me.
 
Calling Menty exceptional is nice. Incorporating it into any type of reasonable detabe is insulting.

It's like saying "the people who smoke pot are assholes, but not YOU Menty! Your exceptional and therefore you don't count!"

Nonsense, Menty, while being exceptional is as good if not better than your average lab rat because he has smoked plenty.
 
As a smoker my premise is simple: I am no mroe retarded than the rest of you assholes.

As a nonsmoker blind, and TQ, with virtually no experiences of your own go to on, what is your premis exactly? Are we wrong in deriving "it is for teh morons"?
 
Blindgroping said:
All the smokers here seen to be more inrterested in proving that they are "not those other people" than listening to what everyone has to say.


Say! Lets try and prove which religion is the Real one!!

That will be so much more effective.

And you are just labelling pot smoking as the sterotypical cartoon versions. You have not yet made an argument for what is wrong with smoking pot. We have done nothing but find out that some people are resigned to be idiots wether they smoke, drink or eat cress.
 
I'd like to thank the non smokers for bailing out of this thread before being forced to admit that your clinical studies and links don't mean shit to those involved on a practical and day to day basis.

Real big of you. I'll bet if it was the holocaust and I was crying "but the millions of dead jews would differ" you wouldn't even piss for 3 hours.
 
I'm a non-smoker, I just don't have much to add.

There's a lot worse shit going down out there we should be concerned about. Smoke 'em if you got 'em.
 
proteon said:
I'd like to thank the non smokers for bailing out of this thread before being forced to admit that your clinical studies and links don't mean shit to those involved on a practical and day to day basis.

Real big of you. I'll bet if it was the holocaust and I was crying "but the millions of dead jews would differ" you wouldn't even piss for 3 hours.

Sorry, but I've seen over twenty years of potheads and their road to ..

Well nothing. They didn't do a damned thing. Except get stoned. Even when people are depending on them to do something, they didn't.

Oh, and because you must have forgotten, we posted no links to studies.
And that "your clinical studies and links don't mean shit" , so
Just what WOULD prove it to you?
 
Sorry, but I've seen over twenty years of potheads and their road to ..

Well nothing. They didn't do a damned thing. Except get stoned. Even when people are depending on them to do something, they didn't.

Oh, and because you must have forgotten, we posted no links to studies.
And that "your clinical studies and links don't mean shit" , so
Just what WOULD prove it to you?

Let me try this again....


You CANNOT make a broad brush stroke over every single person who hppens to smoke. It's basically crap. Saying that no pot heads do anything with their lives is just about the weakest argument you can come up with.
 
Blind I asked you straight up wtf is your premise. Now you want to know what it would take to prove it to me. I dont' know wtf you are trying to prove.

I am in my late thirties, gainfully employed, I own my own car and house. I am not divorced, have never been arrested for anything, do not have credit card debt and get laid well on a regular basis. In my experience, people who don't and haven't smoked but are sure it's the devil are not going to be plussed, ruffled or take pause to consider ANYTHING I have to say. I kind a thought the bulk of my material on this "forum" plus the numbers in terms of times smoked might add up to "not all lifelong smokers are retards" but your still waving the "behaviors" of "other people you've known" at "us".

I'll try again. WTF is your premise?

(HOLOCAUST)
 
Menty I believe this is going to conclude by you and I wearing "Retard" brand name clothing from here on out.

I for one am in good company.
 
it's the devil are not going to be plussed, ruffled or take pause to consider ANYTHING I have to say."
back at ya'

Out of a hundered pot heads, how many are like you and menty, and how many are like what TQ and I are talking about?
Out of a hundered, I'll give your side a generous 5 or 6, the majority of the rest are in the moron category.

Premise? There is no premise, but I do have a belief and a reason and a direction. Those should be obvious.
 
And, if you want a more definable reason,

With the odds of pot smoking creating a great person or creating a moron, I advise against pot because I'd rather see and have to deal with, less stupidity.
 
proteon said:
Menty I believe this is going to conclude by you and I wearing "Retard" brand name clothing from here on out.

I for one am in good company.

I like the new metal braces on my shoes. :!:
 
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