jack
The Legendary Troll Kingdom
If your dress is pretty and it's making my cock stiff, I'm going to let you know that little thing. If you like me and are going to fuck me because you like me, then the rope is a little longer, the breathlessness a little more so.
Especially if it's that pretty dress hiked up over your hips while said fucking is taking place.
Ilyanna
moral imperfection
Actually, no, she probably isn't. At least not from a very large group of people, who still think that women who take the liberty to have casual sex with more than one man and are being blunt about it, too, are sluts. If you really think society has changed reg. that, listen closely to what is being said. A woman fucking with many men? She's spreading STD's, she's a slut, she's easy. A man fucking with many women? Wow, cool dude.
Probably, yeah. But it is not because "we decide who's gonna fuck whom" - it's because if she says it, it's not very likely that said fucking will involve the man being dragged into a dark alley and raped because she is not willing or capable to accept no for an answer. Try and find, let's say, five women over 30 who have never been in a situation where a man started being threatening (as in roughly groping, stalking, or verbally abusing her) in connection with sex. Just five. If you can, I'll stand corrected, but I really doubt it. It's experiences like that that make you a bit more cautious (and, admittedly, pretty paranoid in some cases)
You know, this whole "men will fuck whoever and whenever they can, and that's why women wield power over them"... it's a load of bullshit. Men are just as capable of controlling their urges as women are. Yeah, fucking is an instinct, just like eating. You can control your urge to eat, at least for a few hours, aren't you? Yeah? Well, then don't tell me that you can't do the same with your dick. (and I do know a lot of men who can, so I am not just guessing here). Just because generations of men and women have told the lie that it's not possible doesn't mean you have to believe it.
If fucking a woman is so incredibly important that you let her make you jump through hoops - it's your own damn fault.
Yes, the game will stay. Wanna know why? Because we are telling the next generation the same old shit about how women are like this and men are like that, and nobody seems to notice that we are brainwashing them into playing the same bloody games that we so loathe.
Donovan
beer, I want beer
This is still true in many circles but not nearly as much as in previous generations. Religion of course plays a role in the vilification of sex, but you wanna know who some of the worst slanderers are when a woman dares to be free with her body?
Other. Women.
There is no groups so vicious as a woman's own peers when it comes to casting judgment. Which kinda lends weight to Consumer's whole "crazy" theme.
You just proved my point. When I asked you to imagine a man, any man, saying the exact same thing Tisi did, your mind went directly to rape and violence. And the increasingly broad definition (that is, definitions invented by broads) of what constitutes "sexual harassment, verbal abuse, and unwanted advances) means that for every woman who legitimately was roughly treated there is a man who publicly trashed and accused simply because the woman he approached wasn't receptive to his version of "wanna fuck?"
In short, her game.
And yet your earlier post said exactly that. Joking aside, the urge to procreate is one of the strongest instincts of any animal, man included. To equate willing abstinence with skipping a meal is hilarious but appropriate. Because a few hours is about the limit for either activity. Yes there are people who are celibate, yes there are people who go long periods without fucking. But the urges are still there, and it does not change my assertion that if a man wants to have sex, he will be required to "jump through hoops." Not always the same hoops, not always tough ones, but every man here knows exactly what I mean.
Case in point: how many women can say they've decided to go out on the town without a dime in their pockets, did exactly that, and had a grand old time complete with freeflowing drinks, dancing, and all the party company they wanted? I guarantee every woman here has done it or knows someone who has.
Now the fellas: how many of you have ever been able to go out to the club without a bankroll and still have the party last all night?
Nobody? Yeah me neither.
There is a reason old sayings become old. There is truth in them.
Yep, pretty much. But it IS the most important thing in the world, we WILL put up with pretty much anything to get it, and women WILL keep taking advantage of that.
The whole nature vs. nurture argument? I don't buy it. There might be a case for saying mass media encourages the "female princess, male caveman" stereotypes, but those stereotypes CAME from somewhere. If Disney movies starring beautiful would-be princesses and their heroic if slightly brutish princes weren't hugely popular...
Disney wouldn't keep making them. Simple as that. Media doesn't dictate social meme, it's the other way around.
Mirah
I love you
We were running from an exploding bus and I grabbed her hand and said, "I want you to come with me"
And I told her we had to run very fast to escape
Ilyanna
moral imperfection
lol, you sure he is after that particular F with me?
Aaah, that's what I thought.
Dono, darling, by now you should know all you gotta do is say the word. Or not talk at all :angel:
I do like the verbal sparring as much as the next person, but in this case...haven't read my previous stuff that closely, huh? I am basically agreeing with a lot of what Dono says here. As for the all women are eeeevil stuff - hey, it wouldn't be any fun in here if there wasn't a woman taking exception to it, would it?
@ Dono: You seem to think that I am not placing the same blame on women as on men. That is not true. Women and men both play the game(s). That's what I said in a previous post.
No, my mind did not go directly to rape and violence. It took about 6 or 7 minutes of contemplation on how nice and easy that male approach would be for a change before I was ready to think about why that imbalance exists. Hello? I am the one getting hot by the whole "fightfuck" idea. Cut me some slack.
No, my previous post didn't say that the urge to fuck is uncontrollable. I said that it was one of the three instincts every other want, action, or thought is based on. And yes, I know that equating the desire to fuck with the desire to eat was appropriate in more than one aspect. What you don't seem to get is - there is no difference in woman and man in regards to that. NO difference. The differences start with the games that have been invented by BOTH men and women. I don't like them any more than you do.
I don't know if you mean what I think you mean with that. You mean the way we behave is solely due to what we are being taught? No, I don't think like that. But our nature stands against what we are being taught, and that's the cause for most of our internal and social conflicts. What keeps you from killing somebody? Not your nature. What keeps you from just taking what you want? Definitely not your nature.
I wasn't talking about "the media". The media is not some entity that makes decisions we humans have to accept. I am talking about one generation placing their world view into the younger generation's minds. Grown-up everyday people are the ones keeping the hero/princess myth (and every other social concept) alive, and children are being spoon-fed with it. That's where change could happen, but I don't see it, because the "adults" are too busy nurturing their preconceptions against the other gender to teach their kids how to quit the game.
The Question
Eternal
If my TK Wife is crazy, then I'm glad! Glad, I tell you! *hides behind the couch under a kevlar vest*
'Gear
RIP 1970~2018
jack
The Legendary Troll Kingdom
Ily's right. If a woman fucks a lot of men, she's a slut, whore, easy, dirty. Especially if she enjoys it. Women are still supposed to be "chaste" somehow, and the stereotypes are perpetrated out of fear.
I still take exception to the hoop jumping/free date concept. I get the theology, but don't accept it as practice. I think fucking is grand. There's nothing like it. I think women like it as much or even more, and want it as much or even more. Just having a dick is like having an instant sex wand. I know I get aroused over the most innane things sometimes, and then as guys know, we can get off instantly.
I don't think women work like that. It's a slower burn for you, at least from my experience.
I still take exception to the hoop jumping/free date concept. I get the theology, but don't accept it as practice. I think fucking is grand. There's nothing like it. I think women like it as much or even more, and want it as much or even more. Just having a dick is like having an instant sex wand. I know I get aroused over the most innane things sometimes, and then as guys know, we can get off instantly.
I don't think women work like that. It's a slower burn for you, at least from my experience.