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How is that blaming you for something? I don't buy into that shit when guys tell me that stuff because I know the game they are trying to play, and I don't like playing. Never have. I like to fuck just as much as the next person, so if you and I have a strong chemistry with one another, those words don't even need to be said. That's just how I feel. Are they nice to hear? Sure, from time to time. But if I wanna fuck you, I'm going to fuck you...regardless of whether or not you tell me my dress is pretty.
Actually, no, she probably isn't. At least not from a very large group of people, who still think that women who take the liberty to have casual sex with more than one man and are being blunt about it, too, are sluts. If you really think society has changed reg. that, listen closely to what is being said. A woman fucking with many men? She's spreading STD's, she's a slut, she's easy. A man fucking with many women? Wow, cool dude.As an "empowered" 21st century woman, you are applauded for thinking and saying this, because you and every other woman knows the final decision of who is or isn't getting fucked is yours to make.
Probably, yeah. But it is not because "we decide who's gonna fuck whom" - it's because if she says it, it's not very likely that said fucking will involve the man being dragged into a dark alley and raped because she is not willing or capable to accept no for an answer. Try and find, let's say, five women over 30 who have never been in a situation where a man started being threatening (as in roughly groping, stalking, or verbally abusing her) in connection with sex. Just five. If you can, I'll stand corrected, but I really doubt it. It's experiences like that that make you a bit more cautious (and, admittedly, pretty paranoid in some cases)But suppose I said these same words: If I wanna fuck you I'll do it, and it doesn't matter if your dress is pretty or not. I'm far more likely to spend a nice evening with a friendly policeman than with the woman I dare say it to.
You know, this whole "men will fuck whoever and whenever they can, and that's why women wield power over them"... it's a load of bullshit. Men are just as capable of controlling their urges as women are. Yeah, fucking is an instinct, just like eating. You can control your urge to eat, at least for a few hours, aren't you? Yeah? Well, then don't tell me that you can't do the same with your dick. (and I do know a lot of men who can, so I am not just guessing here). Just because generations of men and women have told the lie that it's not possible doesn't mean you have to believe it.Like it or not, the "game" stays. Why? Because women invented it, most women like it, and they control the sex so most men will play along.
Pretty simple equation really.
This is still true in many circles but not nearly as much as in previous generations. Religion of course plays a role in the vilification of sex, but you wanna know who some of the worst slanderers are when a woman dares to be free with her body?Actually, no, she probably isn't. At least not from a very large group of people, who still think that women who take the liberty to have casual sex with more than one man and are being blunt about it, too, are sluts. If you really think society has changed reg. that, listen closely to what is being said. A woman fucking with many men? She's spreading STD's, she's a slut, she's easy. A man fucking with many women? Wow, cool dude.
You just proved my point. When I asked you to imagine a man, any man, saying the exact same thing Tisi did, your mind went directly to rape and violence. And the increasingly broad definition (that is, definitions invented by broads) of what constitutes "sexual harassment, verbal abuse, and unwanted advances) means that for every woman who legitimately was roughly treated there is a man who publicly trashed and accused simply because the woman he approached wasn't receptive to his version of "wanna fuck?"Probably, yeah. But it is not because "we decide who's gonna fuck whom" - it's because if she says it, it's not very likely that said fucking will involve the man being dragged into a dark alley and raped because she is not willing or capable to accept no for an answer. Try and find, let's say, five women over 30 who have never been in a situation where a man started being threatening (as in roughly groping, stalking, or verbally abusing her) in connection with sex. Just five. If you can, I'll stand corrected, but I really doubt it.
You know, this whole "men will fuck whoever and whenever they can, and that's why women wield power over them"... it's a load of bullshit. Men are just as capable of controlling their urges as women are. Yeah, fucking is an instinct, just like eating. You can control your urge to eat, at least for a few hours, aren't you? Yeah? Well, then don't tell me that you can't do the same with your dick. (and I do know a lot of men who can, so I am not just guessing here).
There is a reason old sayings become old. There is truth in them.Just because generations of men and women have told the lie that it's not possible doesn't mean you have to believe it.
Yep, pretty much. But it IS the most important thing in the world, we WILL put up with pretty much anything to get it, and women WILL keep taking advantage of that.If fucking a woman is so incredibly important that you let her make you jump through hoops - it's your own damn fault.
The whole nature vs. nurture argument? I don't buy it. There might be a case for saying mass media encourages the "female princess, male caveman" stereotypes, but those stereotypes CAME from somewhere. If Disney movies starring beautiful would-be princesses and their heroic if slightly brutish princes weren't hugely popular...Yes, the game will stay. Wanna know why? Because we are telling the next generation the same old shit about how women are like this and men are like that, and nobody seems to notice that we are brainwashing them into playing the same bloody games that we so loathe.
I have told a woman just this after about 10 minutes of general conversation: "I want you, come with me."
and she did.
And we did.
And it was very good.
lol, you sure he is after that particular F with me?Donovan! You've struck a nerve! Quick! To the kill!
Aaah, that's what I thought.Donovan: shhhhh, I'm trying to get her panties to drop
I do like the verbal sparring as much as the next person, but in this case...haven't read my previous stuff that closely, huh? I am basically agreeing with a lot of what Dono says here. As for the all women are eeeevil stuff - hey, it wouldn't be any fun in here if there wasn't a woman taking exception to it, would it?@Ily - Argument for argument's sake? I'd have thought you above that sort of silliness. I mean nobody appreciates the value of the contrary position more than I do, but huh?
I don't know if you mean what I think you mean with that. You mean the way we behave is solely due to what we are being taught? No, I don't think like that. But our nature stands against what we are being taught, and that's the cause for most of our internal and social conflicts. What keeps you from killing somebody? Not your nature. What keeps you from just taking what you want? Definitely not your nature.The whole nature vs. nurture argument?
I do like the verbal sparring as much as the next person, but in this case...haven't read my previous stuff that closely, huh? I am basically agreeing with a lot of what Dono says here. As for the all women are eeeevil stuff - hey, it wouldn't be any fun in here if there wasn't a woman taking exception to it, would it?
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